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mr dave 08-05-2010 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by boo boo (Post 913307)
Mr. Dave clearly has a mental problem, he makes these crazy generalizations all the time and thinks the whole planet functions exactly how he experiences things personally. He's really f*cking crazy and a danger to other people, he should be locked away.


holy crap. your right. this one time i went outside and i met someone and then we did stuff and more stuff happened and.... and... i learned from those experiences. i actually learned about interpersonal relationships by actually dealing with other people face to face! i'm so sorry. i feel so DIRTY :yikes:

boo boo 08-05-2010 10:02 AM

Speaking for an entire goddamn demographic of people because you know a few of them is retarded.

mr dave 08-05-2010 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by boo boo (Post 913386)
Speaking for an entire goddamn demographic of people because you know a few of them is retarded.

but speaking for them and not knowing ANY isn't?

boo boo 08-05-2010 10:23 AM

Because it doesn't f*cking matter. If we're talking about statistics and such, how many people that fall into that demographic that I know personally doesn't matter at all.

The fact that some women actually pay for sex even though its not as common is something that's pretty much an indisputable fact and you're disputing it because you don't know any personally. Great way to speak on behalf of the entire world population of women and male prostitutes.

You're a goddamn looney toon.

Scarlett O'Hara 08-06-2010 07:45 AM

What's up with boobs? Why is he so upset? Is he banned for name calling?

Sansa Stark 08-06-2010 09:13 AM

He's having an off week it seems

Urban Hat€monger ? 08-06-2010 09:15 AM

3 days

Scarlett O'Hara 08-07-2010 07:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Urban Hatemonger (Post 913973)
3 days

Breasticals.

Goblin Tears 08-07-2010 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Vanilla (Post 912573)
I want to see what members here think of stripping and prostitution being considered both degrading to women as a gender or being empowering to a womans sexuality? Is prostitution a form of power woman have over men? The ability to seduce?

Men can be prostitutes too, but they usually cater to the *** market.

Edit: THat's GAY market. Admin seriously need to remove that dumb censor for that word.

TheBig3 08-07-2010 05:11 PM

I think when we're asked a question about something like this, we tend to add our own gray areas. Idiots can mess up just about everything and I don't think its accurate to qualify things.

Should it be legal?

Is it empowering?

I'd say it has a very strong probability to be empowering, and much more so were it to be legalized. Having said that because its currently illegal in a great majority of the United States, most cases of prostitution are horribly degrading.

Theres physical abuse unless she has a John. If she does, she's exploited to the point of slave labor. Its highly unsafe, the health risks are astronomical and I'll bet the chances of pregnancy and therefore abortion are much higher also.

Legal prostitution, regulated and ritualized is empowering. Illegal; the system perpetuates the abuse.

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Originally Posted by bannister (Post 912887)

Also, I really don't believe it's that empowering... since most of the arguments I've heard about how empowering it is have come from men only.


This isn't logical you know. Since Men are the ones you'd have power over, it makes sense to suggest we might know better.

Scarlett O'Hara 08-07-2010 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by TheBig3KilledMyRainDog (Post 914864)
I think when we're asked a question about something like this, we tend to add our own gray areas. Idiots can mess up just about everything and I don't think its accurate to qualify things.

Should it be legal?

Is it empowering?

I'd say it has a very strong probability to be empowering, and much more so were it to be legalized. Having said that because its currently illegal in a great majority of the United States, most cases of prostitution are horribly degrading.

Theres physical abuse unless she has a John. If she does, she's exploited to the point of slave labor. Its highly unsafe, the health risks are astronomical and I'll bet the chances of pregnancy and therefore abortion are much higher also.

Legal prostitution, regulated and ritualized is empowering. Illegal; the system perpetuates the abuse.




This isn't logical you know. Since Men are the ones you'd have power over, it makes sense to suggest we might know better.

It's legal here. Safer for Kiwi's but not necessarily safe for immigrants/traffickers.

TheBig3 08-07-2010 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Vanilla (Post 914869)
It's legal here. Safer for Kiwi's but not necessarily safe for immigrants/traffickers.

And how do you find the local, legal prostitutes feel about it?

Scarlett O'Hara 08-07-2010 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by TheBig3KilledMyRainDog (Post 914874)
And how do you find the local, legal prostitutes feel about it?

They feel good, less risk taking by being out in dodgy streets as they can now all line up on well lit streets, knowing they are protected by not only their pimps but the police. There are brothels that are in reasonable conditions now due to regulations implemented in regards to human rights etc.

All and all, if a woman wants to be a prostitute, she deserves the safety at work like most other professions. Obviously there are still major risks but it's still an improvement from getting criminal records for it.

CanwllCorfe 08-07-2010 05:50 PM

Hmm.. I think it's subjective. It's pretty easy to see either side.

And this is why I didn't join the debate team.

The Monkey 08-10-2010 02:17 AM

Most feminists argue, as do I, that very few seriously enter the prostitution business out of free will, but rather are being forced so out of circumstances, be it the necessity to sustain a drug abuse, or just general poverty.

boo boo 08-10-2010 09:59 AM

That's more realistic than thinking that they just do it because they're godless sodomites.

Regardless of why do they it. Illegalization enables many of the things that makes prostitution such a horrible lifestyle, instead of preventing them. Prostitutes are abused, by both pimps and johns, some of them are given illegal drugs to create a dependency, not taking precautions and such increases the risk of STDs.

It's a job many women choose so vanilla is right that they deserve a safe workplace just like everyone else. Not only would things be safer for them, but their clients as well.

bannister 08-10-2010 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by TheBig3KilledMyRainDog (Post 914864)

This isn't logical you know. Since Men are the ones you'd have power over, it makes sense to suggest we might know better.

Are these men you're talking about strippers or prostitutes? Because if they're customers, how would they know how empowering OR degrading it is for the person performing?

Is it supposed to be the fact that they keep handing money over?

cardboard adolescent 08-14-2010 10:48 PM

I'm going to go with neither. It might have damaging effects on one's psyche to be treated as a body, or one might be strong enough to handle it. I certainly don't think it's very empowering. I'm willing to bet it devalues sex, but you can still find that value elsewhere. It is very dangerous though, even if it were to be legal you're still dealing with one of the more potentially unstable demographics out there. But it would probably be better if it were legal.

Dirty 10-18-2010 11:45 PM

I don't look at it as either... I don't look down on strippers. They are out there making money and I respect that. No need for me to judge others unless it affects me. I think prostitution should be legal actually. If both parties are consenting and wanting to have sex and exchange money, I dont see much of a problem in it. Legalizing it would just make it safer in my opinion, and probably less degrading to prostitutes who are being slapped around by their pimps. Plus it'd be far less dangerous for the women too


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