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Mykonos 09-25-2011 11:33 PM

Well, not really. Society's racist, unfortunately, but that doesn't mean the people in it have to be.

TheBig3 09-26-2011 06:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Mykonos (Post 1106001)
Even though I couldn't get any less racist, I'd still be against one being executed by the State. I think it's an immoral practice no matter who takes the chop.

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Originally Posted by Tumor (Post 1106527)
This is completely off topic but that is bull****. You are ingrained with racism just by living in our society.

Normally I'd make a snarky comment here, but since everyones up in arms about my methods, I'll be direct.

Both of these comments are a little full of themselves. Whats racism got to do - directly - with the death penalty. I get it in regard to this case, but overall? Also, statements like "well I couldn't be less racist"...All I'm going to say is that some day I hope you hear how you sound when you say this.

As for Tumor, who the hell taught you that? What "enlightened" minsanthropic ****tard told you that by living in America you have to hate people based on skin color? I mean, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that maybe you just weren't specific enough, but you need to explain this unless you'd prefer to look like a giant Biggot yourself.

I hate to sound like a Republican here, but just because you targeted a group thats a majority white doesn't mean it isn't prejudicial, biggoted, and ridiculous.

Mykonos 09-26-2011 09:16 AM

I'm sorry, have I said something outrageous or done something wrong? A statement was made about how a man was executed for race crimes. I stated how I still oppose the death penalty for him even though I abhor racism. In what way does that make me full of myself?

Queen Boo 09-26-2011 05:26 PM

It's not really hating people based on their skin color so much as stereotyping people based on their skin color. Any sociology textbook will tell you that.

lucifer_sam 09-27-2011 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Buzzov*en (Post 1106446)
Empathy with racism? Are you ****ing serious with that response? Killing someone in the first degree is not a mistake since it is planned out. Sorry that is a horrible way to look at crime bud. Yes some may be remorseful in their murder which is great, but when you kill someone because of the color of their skin I have no ****ing empathy for you and could give a **** if you are killed in prison or the death penalty. That is why I can be against the death penalty and still not give a **** that ******* was put to death with the very thing I am against.

Who said anything about empathy with racists? It's easy to feel vindicated over a despicable man's demise; it is much harder to find an absolute justification to pursue it.

I'm merely suggesting that qualifying your morals based upon a presupposed level of guilt is absurd. You're making assumptions based upon perceptions from third (or even fourth) source parties, and fitting your morality to suit the situation.

Which is really what disturbs me most when I hear others calling for blood. Innocence and guilt are indeterminate; life and death...not so much.

Buzzov*en 09-27-2011 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by lucifer_sam (Post 1107039)
Who said anything about empathy with racists? It's easy to feel vindicated over a despicable man's demise; it is much harder to find an absolute justification to pursue it.

I'm merely suggesting that qualifying your morals based upon a presupposed level of guilt is absurd. You're making assumptions based upon perceptions from third (or even fourth) source parties, and fitting your morality to suit the situation.

Which is really what disturbs me most when I hear others calling for blood. Innocence and guilt are indeterminate; life and death...not so much.

Am I calling for his blood? No I am not. I said I don't care that he was killed because he was a sack of **** =)

Am I making assumptions? No I'm not. He clearly was guilty of killing a man because of the color of his skin.

lucifer_sam 09-27-2011 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Buzzov*en (Post 1107064)
Am I calling for his blood? No I am not. I said I don't care that he was killed because he was a sack of **** =)

Am I making assumptions? No I'm not. He clearly was guilty of killing a man because of the color of his skin.

A) If you object to capital punishment (as you claim to), what arbitrary magnitude of crime is necessary to enter your void of indifference?

B) This is what I was referring to in my previous post. Where do you obtain your proof for omniscient judgment?

"To be guilty" is an indeterminate abstraction. It is purely a structure of society to institutionalize the penal system. Absolute guilt cannot be determined, or by any methods otherwise proven; rather, "guilty" is a judgment issued from outside the bounds of awareness and perceptual certainty. It is, therefore, not an infallible index of truth and must be treated with the respect one has for someone that might not be. Which, I'm assuming, is why most people object to the execution of Troy Davis.

Buzzov*en 09-27-2011 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by lucifer_sam (Post 1107072)
A) If you object to capital punishment (as you claim to), what arbitrary magnitude of crime is necessary to enter your void of indifference?

B) This is what I was referring to in my previous post. Where do you obtain your proof for omniscient judgment?

"To be guilty" is an indeterminate abstraction. It is purely a structure of society to institutionalize the penal system. Absolute guilt cannot be determined, or by any methods otherwise proven; rather, "guilty" is a judgment issued from outside the bounds of awareness and perceptual certainty. It is, therefore, not an infallible index of truth and must be treated with the respect one has for someone that might not be. Which, I'm assuming, is why most people object to the execution of Troy Davis.

When you kill someone because they are a different color of you which is a hate crime I could give to ****s if you die =) It is pretty simple I just think your feeble mind can not grasp that.


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