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Zer0 12-02-2011 02:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Janszoon (Post 1126801)
So basically she was arrested for being a bitch. That's actually pretty messed up if you think about it. People like her disgust me but I really don't think it should be a crime to be an asshole.

Being a bitch is one thing, but being racially abusive in public and disturbing the peace is another. I'm glad she got arrested. She probably won't get much of a punishment but she deserves a slap on the wrist.

Janszoon 12-02-2011 05:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Zer0 (Post 1126859)
Being a bitch is one thing, but being racially abusive in public and disturbing the peace is another. I'm glad she got arrested. She probably won't get much of a punishment but she deserves a slap on the wrist.

I don't really see the difference. From a legal standpoint why should it matter whether she was being racially abusive or simply abusive in a non-racist way? I could understand kicking her off the train but arresting her seems extreme and kind of a pointless waste of resources.

Zer0 12-02-2011 05:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Janszoon (Post 1126875)
I don't really see the difference. From a legal standpoint why should it matter whether she was being racially abusive or simply abusive in a non-racist way? I could understand kicking her off the train but arresting her seems extreme and kind of a pointless waste of resources.

By being racially abusive like that she is being in breach of the UK's Racial and Religious Hatred Act 2006, which applies to racism as well as religious discrimination.

www.parliament.uk/briefing-papers/SN03768.pdf

I don't know too much about the UK's laws but it's not like she's going to be put away for a few years, she will probably have to pay a hefty fine or do community service or something. It's not like she has freedom of speech here, if a member of this forum was to suddenly be racially abusive as opposed to simply abusive to other members you would have to take more serious action wouldn't you?

Janszoon 12-02-2011 05:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Zer0 (Post 1126880)
By being racially abusive like that she is being in breach of the UK's Racial and Religious Hatred Act 2006, which applies to racism as well as religious discrimination.

www.parliament.uk/briefing-papers/SN03768.pdf

I don't know too much about the UK's laws but it's not like she's going to be put away for a few years, she will probably have to pay a hefty fine or do community service or something.

I understand that's the law there but I was questioning the reasoning behind such a law.

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Originally Posted by Zer0 (Post 1126880)
It's not like she has freedom of speech here, if a member of this forum was to suddenly be racially abusive as opposed to simply abusive to other members you would have to take more serious action wouldn't you?

I don't know. Maybe. But the analogy doesn't really hold up since we wouldn't really be wasting any resources to do so.

Zer0 12-02-2011 06:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Janszoon (Post 1126884)
I understand that's the law there but I was questioning the reasoning behind such a law.

To simply protect those from ethnic or different religious backgrounds from having to tolerate such abuse and hatred from the likes of this woman or any sort of discrimination. Providing they are legally allowed to live in the UK they should have some sort of protection to ensure equality.

Janszoon 12-02-2011 06:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Zer0 (Post 1126888)
To simply protect those from ethnic or different religious backgrounds from having to tolerate such abuse and hatred from the likes of this woman or any sort of discrimination. Providing they are legally allowed to live in the UK they should have some sort of protection to ensure equality.

I don't see how laws like that actually achieve that purpose though. I really doubt arresting this woman is going to make her any less racist. All it does is turn the problem of racism into something nobody talks about, which only serves to breed far more insidious forms.

Paedantic Basterd 12-02-2011 09:09 AM

I'm not sure I see how ignoring her is any more effective than punishing her then. Are you saying the same results would be achieved by waving it off, but without spending whatever resources?

CitySlickCaptain 12-02-2011 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Janszoon (Post 1126890)
I don't see how laws like that actually achieve that purpose though. I really doubt arresting this woman is going to make her any less racist. All it does is turn the problem of racism into something nobody talks about, which only serves to breed far more insidious forms.

It serves to quiet people like her and there are a lot more like her than people are willing to admit.

The Batlord 12-02-2011 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Unknown Soldier (Post 1126858)
You wanna be careful confronting hoodlums here

Yeah, or they might have their footman go fisticuffs with you and cast aspersions about your parentage.

Howard the Duck 12-02-2011 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 1126932)
Yeah, or they might have their footman go fisticuffs with you and cast aspersions about your parentage.

"your grandmother smell of elderberries
and I fart in your general direction"?

(from "Monty Python and the Holy Grail")


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