Dimensions and Their Numerical Progression

PoorOldPo · 12-23-2012, 08:52 PM

So I have been thinking about this a lot recently. I am sure there is someone smart on here who can answer these questions for me. Okay so...We are in the third dimension, or at least our physical form as we experience it is in the third dimension. We are also apparently expressed in the fourth dimension but we as a subjective consciousness of the third dimension, do not experience it. We cannot even comprehend the fourth dimension or what it would be like to be a physical manifestation in it.

This is a 3-D projection of a tesseract undergoing a simple rotation in four dimensional space.

We are in the third dimension, we have length, we have depth and we have width. Those are the three dimensions we have, three lines intersecting each other, organising everything in this dimension into a cubic grid. The second dimension only has two dimensions, it is flat, everything that lives on it has no depth dimension.

My question is, after watching the videos I have provided below, when we refer to "beings" living in the second dimension and the fourth dimension and the seventy second dimension, what exactly do we mean? When we say that, someone in the third dimension can look at someone in the second dimensions, and someone in the fourth can look at someone in the third. I understand that the third dimension is an infinite amount of two dimensional planes and the second dimension is an infinite amount of one dimensional planes, so the third must be an infinite amount of three dimensional planes?

Cosmos - Carl Sagan - 4th Dimension - YouTube

4th Dimension pt.2 - YouTube

4th Dimension Explained By A High-School Student - YouTube

Fourth Spatial Dimension 101 - YouTube

Imagining the Fourth Dimension - YouTube

duga · 12-23-2012, 09:37 PM

Beings means exactly as it sounds...beings. We are 3d beings, so there would be 4d beings and 71d beings. We have no way of perceiving or imagining the totality of those beings, though we would be able to perceive 2 of their dimensions if those 2 dimensions happen to coincide with our particular 3 dimensional space.

Honestly, I can't explain it any better than those videos did. As far as actually interacting directly with a 4th dimensional being, I can try to elaborate on that a little. Starting with the 1 dimensional world...that means there are 2 directions to go. Since every other being in that world also has only 2 directions, the chances of interacting with them are pretty high. Even though they can't perceive the 2nd dimension, it still exists right along with it, only they now have 4 directions to go. Even though they could still very easily interact with the 1d world, the chances that a 2d being will interact with a 1d being is significantly diminished, if only because it has more "directions" to go while the 1d guys are stuck going left or right. The same applies further up the ladder...even though we could interact with a 4d being, since they have that extra dimension to wonder around in the chance that we will actually interact with them is very slim. We could even theoretically interact with 71d beings since they do exist right along with us, only the chance that they will directly interact with our particular 3d niche is INCREDIBLY low.

Moody · 12-24-2012, 05:59 AM

If I understand you question well. Then I say your mixing between parallel worlds and dimensions. Dimension is a theory (or a thesis I never understood the difference) a fourth dimension would mean a dimension that would employ all previous dimensions, add a characteristic that is relatively new to the previous dimensions (because it is now serving a new function) and of course be of higher order to the previous dimensions.

So the idea is to unveil as many dimensions and by that grasp a better understanding of how universe work.

PoorOldPo · 12-24-2012, 06:38 AM

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Originally Posted by duga

Beings means exactly as it sounds...beings. We are 3d beings, so there would be 4d beings and 71d beings. We have no way of perceiving or imagining the totality of those beings, though we would be able to perceive 2 of their dimensions if those 2 dimensions happen to coincide with our particular 3 dimensional space.

Honestly, I can't explain it any better than those videos did. As far as actually interacting directly with a 4th dimensional being, I can try to elaborate on that a little. Starting with the 1 dimensional world...that means there are 2 directions to go. Since every other being in that world also has only 2 directions, the chances of interacting with them are pretty high. Even though they can't perceive the 2nd dimension, it still exists right along with it, only they now have 4 directions to go. Even though they could still very easily interact with the 1d world, the chances that a 2d being will interact with a 1d being is significantly diminished, if only because it has more "directions" to go while the 1d guys are stuck going left or right. The same applies further up the ladder...even though we could interact with a 4d being, since they have that extra dimension to wonder around in the chance that we will actually interact with them is very slim. We could even theoretically interact with 71d beings since they do exist right along with us, only the chance that they will directly interact with our particular 3d niche is INCREDIBLY low.

So then does that mean there is a version of me in the second dimension? if all different versions of me are coming from the one source then... Woah I am confused. Alright, how does one actually interact with the second dimension, why can I not see little beings floating around in the second dimension?

duga · 12-24-2012, 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by PoorOldPo

So then does that mean there is a version of me in the second dimension? if all different versions of me are coming from the one source then... Woah I am confused. Alright, how does one actually interact with the second dimension, why can I not see little beings floating around in the second dimension?

No, it doesn't mean there is a version of you in the second dimension. That dimension is (theoretically) inhabited by strictly 2 dimensional beings. Work your way up in the dimensions and (also theoretically) the beings there would exponentially increase in complexity and intelligence. Our minds are tuned to think in 3 dimensions, so adding an exponential amount of new potential directions to go would require that much more intelligence. What is possible, though, is that different versions of you exist in the stacked 3d dimensional worlds perceived by the 4d beings (as mentioned in the videos a 2d world is composed of an infinite amount of stacked 1d lines while the 3d world is composed of an infinite amount of stacked 2d planes). Again, there is no way to even have a clue if that is the truth of it...this is all theoretical. The only thing we can really say with any amount of certainty is that there really are additional dimensions. Everything else is purely theoretical, and it's really anyone's guess.

As for you interacting with the 2d worlds...you do it all the time. However, we are tuned to perceive the 3d world and our brains filter information considered extraneous. It wouldn't be a stretch to consider interacting with comparatively simple 2d beings an extraneous activity, so your brain most likely filters any interactions you have with them (if 2d beings exist at all). I would also assume the same goes for 4d beings interacting with us...to them, we are incredibly simple creatures going about our business and they probably don't even perceive that we are there.

What do you mean about coming from one source? I don't think I mentioned that. This is a very confusing topic and a very difficult one to explain (I think Carl Sagan did it best...that guy is the man). I hope I got across what I was trying to explain, but just in case I'll try to use another analogy.

Imagine your car can only drive on one 2 way street going east and west. There are other cars also stuck on this 2 way street. You see them all the time because they are stuck there with you. However, another street going north and south also exists, only you can't go there. The cars on that street, however, can drive on your street just fine. So, you can see them when they drive on your street, but since they have a whole other street to drive on, you don't see them all the time. Now add another LEVEL of streets...like a parking garage. The same rules apply..the cars on the second level can drive on your street, but you can't get to the second level. However, since they now have EVEN MORE streets to drive on than even the north south guys, the chances that they will be on your street get EVEN LOWER.

That's basically an incredibly simplistic way of trying to think about why we don't see 4d beings floating around everywhere...it's just that the chance they pop up in our particular plane of existence is very low only because they have so many other planes to move around on.

Please ask more questions, too...I really love talking about this kind of stuff.

blastingas10 · 12-24-2012, 12:28 PM

Very strange

midnight rain · 12-24-2012, 12:33 PM

Tagging myself in the thread so that I can watch these videos when I get the chance.

WWWP · 12-24-2012, 12:49 PM

God I love Carl Sagan. This is fascinating stuff, I know what I'll be doing with the rest of my afternoon.

PoorOldPo · 12-24-2012, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by duga

No, it doesn't mean there is a version of you in the second dimension. That dimension is (theoretically) inhabited by strictly 2 dimensional beings. Work your way up in the dimensions and (also theoretically) the beings there would exponentially increase in complexity and intelligence. Our minds are tuned to think in 3 dimensions, so adding an exponential amount of new potential directions to go would require that much more intelligence. What is possible, though, is that different versions of you exist in the stacked 3d dimensional worlds perceived by the 4d beings (as mentioned in the videos a 2d world is composed of an infinite amount of stacked 1d lines while the 3d world is composed of an infinite amount of stacked 2d planes). Again, there is no way to even have a clue if that is the truth of it...this is all theoretical. The only thing we can really say with any amount of certainty is that there really are additional dimensions. Everything else is purely theoretical, and it's really anyone's guess.

As for you interacting with the 2d worlds...you do it all the time. However, we are tuned to perceive the 3d world and our brains filter information considered extraneous. It wouldn't be a stretch to consider interacting with comparatively simple 2d beings an extraneous activity, so your brain most likely filters any interactions you have with them (if 2d beings exist at all). I would also assume the same goes for 4d beings interacting with us...to them, we are incredibly simple creatures going about our business and they probably don't even perceive that we are there.

What do you mean about coming from one source? I don't think I mentioned that. This is a very confusing topic and a very difficult one to explain (I think Carl Sagan did it best...that guy is the man). I hope I got across what I was trying to explain, but just in case I'll try to use another analogy.

Imagine your car can only drive on one 2 way street going east and west. There are other cars also stuck on this 2 way street. You see them all the time because they are stuck there with you. However, another street going north and south also exists, only you can't go there. The cars on that street, however, can drive on your street just fine. So, you can see them when they drive on your street, but since they have a whole other street to drive on, you don't see them all the time. Now add another LEVEL of streets...like a parking garage. The same rules apply..the cars on the second level can drive on your street, but you can't get to the second level. However, since they now have EVEN MORE streets to drive on than even the north south guys, the chances that they will be on your street get EVEN LOWER.

That's basically an incredibly simplistic way of trying to think about why we don't see 4d beings floating around everywhere...it's just that the chance they pop up in our particular plane of existence is very low only because they have so many other planes to move around on.

Please ask more questions, too...I really love talking about this kind of stuff.

I have loads more questions.

Okay so, these four dimensional beings, and fifth and so on...What about if some of the explainable things that happen in our world, the things we think are supernatural, are actual just accidental interactions with them, or deliberate. Imagine a fourth dimensional being trying to freak one of us out, considering it had some kind of sense of humour. Like when people see strange things, like I dunno, what we would call a ghost. like for instance, I saw some strange **** when I was four years old, an old woman in a veil outside my back door at night, and she was glowing. Or my sister getting pushed forward violently by something hitting her in the shoulder, despite the fact nothing or no one was behind her. That kinda ****.

Now we are getting into psychedelic territory. ^^

The experiences that people have on acid and mushroom trips, could these possibly be interactions with higher beings in higher dimensions? What are your opinions?

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God I love Carl Sagan. This is fascinating stuff, I know what I'll be doing with the rest of my afternoon.

If you have smoke I strongly recommend watching them all straight through blazed.

duga · 12-24-2012, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by PoorOldPo

Okay so, these four dimensional beings, and fifth and so on...What about if some of the explainable things that happen in our world, the things we think are supernatural, are actual just accidental interactions with them, or deliberate. Imagine a fourth dimensional being trying to freak one of us out, considering it had some kind of sense of humour. Like when people see strange things, like I dunno, what we would call a ghost. like for instance, I saw some strange **** when I was four years old, an old woman in a veil outside my back door at night, and she was glowing. Or my sister getting pushed forward violently by something hitting her in the shoulder, despite the fact nothing or no one was behind her. That kinda ****.

Now we are getting into psychedelic territory. ^^

The experiences that people have on acid and mushroom trips, could these possibly be interactions with higher beings in higher dimensions? What are your opinions?

Haha...I was wondering if we would get there. In a nutshell, yes...I think a lot of unexplainable occurrences can be explained by interactions with another dimension. In fact, a lot of physicists believe that certain particles appearing and disappearing inexplicably are the result of them traveling dimensions, and these are observed in labs all the time. I do also feel (as do a lot of scientists out there) that taking psychedelics does open up our perception to a taste of the extra-dimensional world. While taking DMT, a lot of people report "intelligent" geometric shapes...my hypothesis is a lot of this is actually us perceiving the 2d world. A lot of the unexplainable stuff that happens during a breakthrough trip could also be a hint of the 4d world (again...our minds would not even be able to comprehend that this is what we are seeing - as Carl Sagan put it, that dimension is completely out of our experience). In fact, it is hard for our minds to even store that experience in memory, so we start focusing on the feelings we had and end up feeling as if it was a religious experience (for those who have taken a psychedelic - the experience you describe is nowhere near the actual experience, no?). All we are left with is the impression that something we won't ever be able to understand just happened to us...just like when Carl Sagan's 2d shape tried to explain his experience with the apple.

Seeing full blow apparitions that look human, though...I don't know about that one. My own personal beliefs are that the human mind carries so much energy that an unexpected and rapid death creates some kind of "imprint"...much like radiation. But that's a theory for another thread.

12-23-2012, 08:52 PM	#1 (permalink)
PoorOldPo Blue Pill Oww Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Luimneach, Eire Posts: 1,107	Dimensions and Their Numerical Progression So I have been thinking about this a lot recently. I am sure there is someone smart on here who can answer these questions for me. Okay so...We are in the third dimension, or at least our physical form as we experience it is in the third dimension. We are also apparently expressed in the fourth dimension but we as a subjective consciousness of the third dimension, do not experience it. We cannot even comprehend the fourth dimension or what it would be like to be a physical manifestation in it. This is a 3-D projection of a tesseract undergoing a simple rotation in four dimensional space. We are in the third dimension, we have length, we have depth and we have width. Those are the three dimensions we have, three lines intersecting each other, organising everything in this dimension into a cubic grid. The second dimension only has two dimensions, it is flat, everything that lives on it has no depth dimension. My question is, after watching the videos I have provided below, when we refer to "beings" living in the second dimension and the fourth dimension and the seventy second dimension, what exactly do we mean? When we say that, someone in the third dimension can look at someone in the second dimensions, and someone in the fourth can look at someone in the third. I understand that the third dimension is an infinite amount of two dimensional planes and the second dimension is an infinite amount of one dimensional planes, so the third must be an infinite amount of three dimensional planes? Cosmos - Carl Sagan - 4th Dimension - YouTube 4th Dimension pt.2 - YouTube 4th Dimension Explained By A High-School Student - YouTube Fourth Spatial Dimension 101 - YouTube Imagining the Fourth Dimension - YouTube __________________ https://www.instagram.com/hennas.lullaby/ Last edited by PoorOldPo; 12-24-2012 at 01:40 PM.

12-23-2012, 09:37 PM	#2 (permalink)
duga MB quadrant's JM Vincent Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Washington, DC Posts: 3,762	Beings means exactly as it sounds...beings. We are 3d beings, so there would be 4d beings and 71d beings. We have no way of perceiving or imagining the totality of those beings, though we would be able to perceive 2 of their dimensions if those 2 dimensions happen to coincide with our particular 3 dimensional space. Honestly, I can't explain it any better than those videos did. As far as actually interacting directly with a 4th dimensional being, I can try to elaborate on that a little. Starting with the 1 dimensional world...that means there are 2 directions to go. Since every other being in that world also has only 2 directions, the chances of interacting with them are pretty high. Even though they can't perceive the 2nd dimension, it still exists right along with it, only they now have 4 directions to go. Even though they could still very easily interact with the 1d world, the chances that a 2d being will interact with a 1d being is significantly diminished, if only because it has more "directions" to go while the 1d guys are stuck going left or right. The same applies further up the ladder...even though we could interact with a 4d being, since they have that extra dimension to wonder around in the chance that we will actually interact with them is very slim. We could even theoretically interact with 71d beings since they do exist right along with us, only the chance that they will directly interact with our particular 3d niche is INCREDIBLY low. __________________ Confusion will be my epitaph...

12-24-2012, 05:59 AM	#3 (permalink)
Moody Music Addict Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 48	If I understand you question well. Then I say your mixing between parallel worlds and dimensions. Dimension is a theory (or a thesis I never understood the difference) a fourth dimension would mean a dimension that would employ all previous dimensions, add a characteristic that is relatively new to the previous dimensions (because it is now serving a new function) and of course be of higher order to the previous dimensions. So the idea is to unveil as many dimensions and by that grasp a better understanding of how universe work.

12-24-2012, 12:28 PM	#6 (permalink)
blastingas10 Music Addict Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 2,126	Very strange

12-24-2012, 12:33 PM	#7 (permalink)
midnight rain Music Addict Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 1,711	Tagging myself in the thread so that I can watch these videos when I get the chance.