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Neapolitan 06-26-2013 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by djchameleon (Post 1336391)
One thing that stuck in my head from my Econ teacher in high school is that "Life isn't fair and when you remove the word from your vocab then you'll understand"

What word "Life" or "fair?" If I never speak of "life/fair" how would I understand life is unfair? Either way I don't see how it works that you will all of a sudden metaphysical understanding of life if you censor yourself, and remove the word "life" or "fair" from your vocabulary.

I thought if a person stop pointing fingers at persons, and groups of people and say they have it oh so easy, and just listen to people (tell their story) they would understand life is unfair because everyone has it hard.

djchameleon 06-27-2013 06:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Neapolitan (Post 1336618)
What word "Life" or "fair?" If I never speak of "life/fair" how would I understand life is unfair? Either way I don't see how it works that you will all of a sudden metaphysical understanding of life if you censor yourself, and remove the word "life" or "fair" from your vocabulary.

I thought if a person stop pointing fingers at persons, and groups of people and say they have it oh so easy, and just listen to people (tell their story) they would understand life is unfair because everyone has it hard.

"Fair", it was an anecdotal story that he tells his son whenever he whines about something not being fair. He tells him to take the word fair out of his vocabulary because life isn't fair. I paraphrased it incorrectly. I don't think he said anything about understanding.

Since the Court's decision to gut the Voting Rights Act yesterday, North Carolina, Alabama, Texas, South Carolina and Mississippi--all previously covered districts--have already initiated plans to enact discriminatory Voter ID laws.

Say whatever you want HHBH but there are still people in southern communities that were born @ home due rural and/or racist circumstances. Birth records are not available. Expand your thinking outside of one experience. Those states that were so quick to enact the Voter ID laws that were found unconstitutional are imposing many obstacles to securing IDs as well. This ruling has many negative implications.

hip hop bunny hop 06-27-2013 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by djchameleon (Post 1336696)
Say whatever you want HHBH but there are still people in southern communities that were born @ home due rural and/or racist circumstances. Birth records are not available. Expand your thinking outside of one experience. Those states that were so quick to enact the Voter ID laws that were found unconstitutional are imposing many obstacles to securing IDs as well. This ruling has many negative implications.

Who the **** was born at home recently due to "racist circumstances" and what the **** does that even mean? Seriously, and you - the guy who lives in New York - is trying to tell me about "rural" circumstances causing kids to be born at home (and this somehow causing birth certificates impossible to get? What?). Guy, I live in Montana and was born in South Dakota and I never in my life met someone who born at home.

TheBig3 06-27-2013 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by hip hop bunny hop (Post 1336527)
I can't make heads or tails of this - you're upset that people who can't provide a government issued photo id can't vote?

Its a bull**** tactic that's going to lead to repressing people from voting. You know, its the same reason you hate Obamacare. No problem with medicine, you just "know the government is corrupt."

djchameleon 06-27-2013 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by hip hop bunny hop (Post 1336731)
Who the **** was born at home recently due to "racist circumstances" and what the **** does that even mean? Seriously, and you - the guy who lives in New York - is trying to tell me about "rural" circumstances causing kids to be born at home (and this somehow causing birth certificates impossible to get? What?). Guy, I live in Montana and was born in South Dakota and I never in my life met someone who born at home.

Yes, because only your experiences in life is what matters. I'm talking about people in rural southern areas where these Voter ID laws are being set up. Also believe it or not New York is a big fucking state and has tons of rural areas/farms.

hip hop bunny hop 06-27-2013 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by TheBig3 (Post 1336733)
Its a bull**** tactic that's going to lead to repressing people from voting. You know, its the same reason you hate Obamacare. No problem with medicine, you just "know the government is corrupt."

Well, your first point is just using the slippery slope argument, which is nonsense. The only people this is "repressing" is those without the proper identification. Oh lordy, what a terrible crime.

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Yes, because only your experiences in life is what matters. I'm talking about people in rural southern areas where these Voter ID laws are being set up. Also believe it or not New York is a big ****ing state and has tons of rural areas/farms.
Then kindly elaborate as to why "rural circumstances" are leading to people being born at home, because, as someone who has spent his life in rural circumstances, I find this mind boggling.

djchameleon 06-27-2013 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by hip hop bunny hop (Post 1336796)
Then kindly elaborate as to why "rural circumstances" are leading to people being born at home, because, as someone who has spent his life in rural circumstances, I find this mind boggling.

You may have no experienced it but these accounts mostly pertain to elderly voters from the South before you were born that were either born at home for lack of transportation or some sort racial circumstance. It's not easy for people like that to get a hold of their birth certificate. The price to get an ID might not be much but the other documents associated with getting one are more costly. If the person lost their naturalization certificate? That'll be $345. If they don't have a birth certificate because they are black and were born in the segregated south? They have to go to court.

"Also Republican officials are making it harder to even get your ID in the first place. For example, Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker, signed a strict voter ID law and then made a move to start closing DMV offices in areas full of Democrats, while increasing office hours in areas full of Republicans—this in a state in which half of blacks and Hispanics are estimated to lack a driver's license and a quarter of its DMV offices are open less than one day per month. (Sauk City's is open a whopping four times a year.) Somehow I doubt that this is primarily about saving money."

It may only be around 11% of people that are eligible to vote that won't be able to because they don't have proper ID but the people that fit into that group are poor minorities, elderly people and the disabled that would vote Democratic and that's the only reason that Republicans push so hard for these Voter ID laws. Voter Fraud is rare and much of the problems associated with alleged fraud in elections relates to unintentional mistakes by voters or election administrators.

hip hop bunny hop 06-28-2013 12:57 PM

You do realize that your whole hypothesis is a conspiracy theory, right? You sound just as nutty as those goons clambering about "9/11 wuz an inside jobs".

TheBig3 06-28-2013 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by hip hop bunny hop (Post 1336796)
Well, your first point is just using the slippery slope argument, which is nonsense. The only people this is "repressing" is those without the proper identification. Oh lordy, what a terrible crime.

I think it was designed to block the black vote - the problem is the House of Reps. is about to drop the ball on Immigration and send the Republican party the way of the Federalist/Whig party.

Suppressing the black vote won't matter when its eclipsed by the surging Latino vote.

Freebase Dali 06-28-2013 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by TheBig3 (Post 1337179)
I think it was designed to block the black vote - the problem is the House of Reps. is about to drop the ball on Immigration and send the Republican party the way of the Federalist/Whig party.

Suppressing the black vote won't matter when its eclipsed by the surging Latino vote.

It's like the immigration reform bill was designed to turn the minority vote into the majority vote.
The right is too stupid to see past their (extremely unlikely) potential for bringing the Latino vote to their side by supporting the bill in its current state. What idiots.


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