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Old 09-30-2013, 07:22 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Default Was Mohammad originally Jesus?

Islam is so much bulls-hit that the only way anyone could believe it is by having it shoved down his or her throat at gunpoint. which is usually the case in most religions and in Islam in particular.

For instance, Muslims say the true Quran must be written in Arabic. For what? Because it the original language of the Quran? Well, here's the problem--it isn't! Modern Arabic did not exist at the time the Quran was said to be written by the very Muslim scholars who claim to have studied it deeply. They studied nothing. They wasted their time and everyone else's because they are a bunch of clowns.


An ancient Syrian coin minted only 5 or so decades after the supposed death of Mohammad depicts a figure called "Muhammad" as holding a cross. This, in spite of the fact that Muslims in the captured lands in the 9th and 10th centuries forbade Christians to display the cross.

The name Muhammad is also a title meaning "praised one" or "chosen one." In the Quran, the name "Muhammad" is only mentioned four times and three of the those times, the name is actually being employed as a title and the attributes of that title the Quran also attribute to Jesus! For instance, "Muhammad is nothing but a messenger; messengers have passed away before him." (3:144) and "the messiah, the son of Mary, is nothing but a messenger; messengers have passed away before him." (5:75)

Jesus (Issa in Arabic) is, in fact, mentioned 25 times in the Quran while the personage of Muhammad is mentioned perhaps once.


Part of the "Sunrise" collection of 8th century Islamic coins showing the two fish of Pisces violates the Islamic ban on depicting living creatures in art as well as glorifying the Age of Jesus, Pisces, which is why jesus is imaged as a fish.

At the Dome of the Rock, completed in 691 and said to be a triumph of Islam, are Quranic inscriptions in the arcade area supposedly taken directly from the Quran and yet many of them are distinctly different than what appears in the Quran today. The inscription use words not in the modern text but, even stranger, references to Jesus, son of Mary. But why do these verses, among the earliest known, have so much extraneous or extra-Quranic material if they were quoting from the same Qurans Muslims read from now? Some verses also change person--a verse in the Quran in the 3rd person appears in the inscriptions in the first person! The only explanation is that this book was not yet written but was just then beginning to be written--some 60 years AFTER Muhammad's death.

The original Muslims were likely a Christian sect that regarded Jesus or Issa as a messenger of god but NOT a son of god. Being ostracized and marginalized, they then split off from Christianity altogether.

Jacob of Edessa writes that the Muslims (whom he calls Mahgraye) "confess firmly that he [Jesus] is the true Messiah who is to come" but "they do not assent to call the Messiah God or the Son of God."

The 7th century seizure of Jerusalem was chronicled by Christian writers as Sophronius who wrote extensively of the "Saracens" or Arab conquerors and their invasion and occupation. He mentions how these Saracens disdained the cross and vandalized the churches. But with everything Sophronius tells us about the the Saracens, he never tells us that they were called Muslims nor that they belonged to religion called Islam nor that they had a holy book called a Quran nor that they had a messenger of god named Muhammad. For all he wrote about them, certainly he would have included this information had he been aware of it. How could he not have heard of Muhammad since it was in his name the Muslims claimed to be doing all this conquering? Only one way, the Muhammad that Islam now bows to did not yet exist. As late as 874, there are manuscripts that refer to the Arabs but not as Muslims. These Arabs deny the divinity of Christ but there is no mention of Quran or a Muhammad.

The earliest reference to a Muhammad is Sebos, a bishop, who in the 660s or 70s wrote of a "Mahmet" of the Ishmaelites who preached monotheism but who also preached of the Jews' right to the Holy Land which is blasphemous to Muslims today. Again, no mention of Muslims, Islam or a Quran.

The Arabs themselves spent a lot of time manufacturing hadiths (non-Quranic sayings of Muhammad). They are so contradictory and so clearly forged that there is no way to reconcile them as actual sayings of Muhammad. It is clear that among the Muslims themselves, the rulers (warlords) were not interested in Muhammad but only in how they could hide behind his name to grab power.

Last edited by Lord Larehip; 09-30-2013 at 08:03 PM.
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