The worst case ever of child abuse by a musician in modern times?

Trollheart · 12-19-2013, 05:17 AM

Who could believe, or indeed stomach, this?

BBC News - Lostprophets' Ian Watkins sentenced to 35 years over child sex offences

Bastard got everything he deserved. Jesus ****ing Christ!

Trollheart · 12-19-2013, 05:40 AM

And for those of you who ask, will I now stick to what I said about how I view music created by people guilty of such heinous crimes, yes: I have deleted their music from my PC, erased the review I did of their album in my journal and I will be dumping the CD.

Anyone who thinks that's over the top has not yet read the article. An evil man of pretty much unparalleled depravity. May he burn in Hell and have the worst possible time in prison. Bastard. And **** those excuses for mothers too. God! How are there such people in this world???

**Janszoon** · 12-19-2013, 06:25 AM

He is indeed a horrible human being, but I'm not sure I agree with you about deleting the band's music. He's not the only member of the band and the rest of the band had no involvement in his crimes and were just as horrified as we are about him crimes. In some ways they're victims as well.

LennyComa · 12-19-2013, 07:48 AM

They have released the sentencing transcripts from the Judge to the Scumbag's. This is some uneasy reading, I doubt even the hard core sympathizer with the douche would support this.... http://www.judiciary.gov.uk/Resource...and-others.pdf

Mojo · 12-19-2013, 10:14 AM

I dont agree with boycotting the music either, if its something you're in to. The other members of the band shouldnt have their names or the name of the band dragged through the mud because of the actions of this sick ****.

I unfortunately have also already read that transcript from his sentencing, and it is actually rather distressing. If you dont want to know the graphic details of exactly what he was charged with then dont read it. And no, that isnt a disguised "challenge", just pointing out that it outlines very specific details, the likes of which a lot of the media arent reporting.

The Batlord · 12-19-2013, 10:23 AM

Thirty-five years? I'm sure there are drug dealers doing more time. That's garbage.

~~Sansa Stark~~ · 12-19-2013, 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Janszoon

He is indeed a horrible human being, but I'm not sure I agree with you about deleting the band's music. He's not the only member of the band and the rest of the band had no involvement in his crimes and were just as horrified as we are about him crimes. In some ways they're victims as well.

Yeah I don't believe this at all. There have been rumours about his "proclivities" for years and it was well known that he took underage girls as his groupies (14-16 yr olds). They're not victims and it's really rather disgusting that you would even say such a silly thing. How could they just /not/ know?

I agree with Trollheart's deleting of their music tbh

**Janszoon** · 12-19-2013, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord

Thirty-five years? I'm sure there are drug dealers doing more time. That's garbage.

I agree. A giant trebuchet flinging him into outer space seems like it might have been more appropriate.

**Janszoon** · 12-19-2013, 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Sansa Stark

Yeah I don't believe this at all. There have been rumours about his "proclivities" for years and it was well known that he took underage girls as his groupies (14-16 yr olds). They're not victims and it's really rather disgusting that you would even say such a silly thing. How could they just /not/ know?

I'd imagine they could not know in the same way that other people have not known things in the past. Just because you're in a band with someone doesn't mean you know everything about them.

Mojo · 12-19-2013, 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Sansa Stark

Yeah I don't believe this at all. There have been rumours about his "proclivities" for years and it was well known that he took underage girls as his groupies (14-16 yr olds). They're not victims and it's really rather disgusting that you would even say such a silly thing. How could they just /not/ know?

I agree with Trollheart's deleting of their music tbh

While I acknowledge what you're saying about supposed rumours that have been circulating for some time before his arrest, and some accounts of fans allegedly reporting him to the police prior to his eventual arrest, I don't think you can state that his band members are absolutely not victims and definitely "in on it" in some way.

I've read the details of every charge brought to him and every piece of evidence given to support them. I can't possibly know whether his bandmates knew he was sleeping with underage girls and groupies, and the girl who came forward who said she lost her virginity to him was 16, which is underage there but not here, but even if they ever had any kind of bad feeling about him I really dont think the mind would ever jump to the conclusions of exactly the extent of what he was doing. I've personally never read anything like it, and I won't soon forget it. It'll stay with me.

All of the charges brought to him in court, after reading the details, are of things he was doing in private conversations, Skype chats, texts and meetings and not necessarily linked to his band in any way other than these girls appear to have been fans of his that he has used to manipulate them. Unless he was in constant contact with these women while at shows, on tour, or in the studio, I don't see why it's so difficult to believe that this side of his life was something he indulged in privately, away from his family, his friends and his band mates.

I don't see any difference between assuming that his bandmates knew about what he was up to, and assuming that his family also knew, as well as the family and friends of every peadophile.

12-19-2013, 05:17 AM	#1 (permalink)
Trollheart Born to be mild Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 404 Not Found Posts: 26,970	The worst case ever of child abuse by a musician in modern times? Who could believe, or indeed stomach, this? BBC News - Lostprophets' Ian Watkins sentenced to 35 years over child sex offences Bastard got everything he deserved. Jesus ***ing Christ! __________________ Trollheart: Signature-free since April 2018*

12-19-2013, 05:40 AM	#2 (permalink)
Trollheart Born to be mild Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 404 Not Found Posts: 26,970	And for those of you who ask, will I now stick to what I said about how I view music created by people guilty of such heinous crimes, yes: I have deleted their music from my PC, erased the review I did of their album in my journal and I will be dumping the CD. Anyone who thinks that's over the top has not yet read the article. An evil man of pretty much unparalleled depravity. May he burn in Hell and have the worst possible time in prison. Bastard. And **** those excuses for mothers too. God! How are there such people in this world??? __________________ Trollheart: Signature-free since April 2018

12-19-2013, 06:25 AM	#3 (permalink)
Janszoon Mate, Spawn & Die Join Date: May 2007 Location: The Rapping Community Posts: 24,593	He is indeed a horrible human being, but I'm not sure I agree with you about deleting the band's music. He's not the only member of the band and the rest of the band had no involvement in his crimes and were just as horrified as we are about him crimes. In some ways they're victims as well. __________________ A Night in the Life of the Invisible Man Time & Place 25 Albums You Should Hear Before the Moon Crashes into the Earth and We All Die last.fm

12-19-2013, 07:48 AM	#4 (permalink)
LennyComa Groupie Join Date: Nov 2013 Location: Live - Dunoon. Work - Juba Posts: 29	They have released the sentencing transcripts from the Judge to the Scumbag's. This is some uneasy reading, I doubt even the hard core sympathizer with the douche would support this.... http://www.judiciary.gov.uk/Resource...and-others.pdf Last edited by LennyComa; 12-19-2013 at 08:41 AM.

12-19-2013, 10:14 AM	#5 (permalink)
Mojo Melancholia Eternally Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: England Posts: 5,018	I dont agree with boycotting the music either, if its something you're in to. The other members of the band shouldnt have their names or the name of the band dragged through the mud because of the actions of this sick ****. I unfortunately have also already read that transcript from his sentencing, and it is actually rather distressing. If you dont want to know the graphic details of exactly what he was charged with then dont read it. And no, that isnt a disguised "challenge", just pointing out that it outlines very specific details, the likes of which a lot of the media arent reporting. __________________ Last.FM \| Echoes and Dust