Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls (Post 1560226)

The beauty of not using absolutes.. he said "not necessarily", that doesn't mean NOT, as Soulflower put it.

Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1560220)

Wh...What? Do you learn about concepts taught in psychology classes in a history course? Or the same things taught in a criminology course as a sociology course? What about linguistics and economics? Yet all of these things are social sciences.

Social science is an umbrella term, don't push a study into the rain just because it's not identical to the ones that you're the most familiar with.

I'm still wondering why you brought it up as a way to prove that science is racist though. Before you say "oh I didn't say that", you did not directly say this but rather implied it quite strongly (implying something is saying it without bluntly stating it).

Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 1559830)

I do believe that "negroid" has been replaced by "congoid", but I'm assuming that's more for political correctness. Same idea though, and since it's a scientific term rather than a racist or eugenic one then it shouldn't matter.

Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1560230)

Oh! So you do know what imply means! I had no idea.

Originally Posted by Soulflower (Post 1560231)

I am not sure why you made this post when I pretty much said the same thing in my last post.

I think I did a good job in detail explaining why I brought it up in my last post.

Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls (Post 1560232)

I'm pretty sure he understands and recognizes how it can be used as a racial slur but that really doesn't negate it's lack of racial bias when speaking scientifically.

Originally Posted by Soulflower (Post 1560236)

You saying "your pretty sure he means" really does not justify any of his posts if he can not articulate that himself.

Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1560235)

So you'll agree that communications is a social science then? Great.

Please explain why science is racist and why your involvement in a social science affirms that. I'm still not seeing where you're getting at with that.

Originally Posted by Surell (Post 1560233)

remember when phrenology was a science and according to it black people had dumber heads.

Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1560235)

So you'll agree that communications is a social science then? Great.

Please explain why science is racist and why your involvement in a social science affirms that. I'm still not seeing where you're getting at with that.

Originally Posted by Soulflower (Post 1560238)

Baby you are not reading my posts.


I said that you came with the receipts that Communications IS a social science, I admitted you were RIGHT!?!?!


Did you miss that post????


Here it is for you again

Originally Posted by Soulflower (Post 1560236)

YOU say that but he did not state that himself in any of his posts.

You saying "your pretty sure he means" really does not justify any of his posts if he can not articulate that himself.

Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 1560202)

Of course I would never just call some random black person a negroid. I'd only use it in a discussion where it was clear that we were talking about science. I'm not an idiot.

Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls (Post 1560245)

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Originally Posted by FRED HALE SR. (Post 1560240)

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j...,d.cGU&cad=rja

Its all right there. I blame Adam.

Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls (Post 1560245)

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Originally Posted by FRED HALE SR. (Post 1560240)

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j...,d.cGU&cad=rja

Its all right there. I blame Adam.

Originally Posted by FRED HALE SR. (Post 1560240)

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j...,d.cGU&cad=rja

Its all right there. I blame Adam.

Originally Posted by Soulflower (Post 1560248)

Its sad that you still don't see the irony of that post. He still thinks of that word as a scientific term.

Originally Posted by Soulflower (Post 1560248)

Its sad that you still don't see the irony of that post. He still thinks of that word as a scientific term.

Originally Posted by Chula Vista (Post 1560252)

It IS a scientific term.

Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1560247)

^Shows that we'll even argue on well established facts here at MB.



Right on, never thought I'd actually see evidence in this thread. Skimming through that, it looks like the term negroid was not racist by origin but was affiliated with racist theories (though a lot of those don't sound racist to me, I think Tumblr might have overtaken wiki).

Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1560247)

^Shows that we'll even argue on well established facts here at MB.



Right on, never thought I'd actually see evidence in this thread. Skimming through that, it looks like the term negroid was not racist by origin but was affiliated with racist theories (though a lot of those don't sound racist to me, I think Tumblr might have overtaken wiki).

Originally Posted by Chula Vista (Post 1560252)

It IS a scientific term.

Originally Posted by Soulflower (Post 1560248)

He still thinks of that word as a scientific term.

Originally Posted by Soulflower (Post 1560255)

But it can also be used as a racial slur too.

Originally Posted by Soulflower (Post 1560248)

He still thinks of that word as a scientific term.

Originally Posted by Soulflower (Post 1560255)

But it can also be used as a racial slur too.


Why is this so hard to understand!?!?!?!?!

Originally Posted by Soulflower (Post 1560227)

You argued quite strongly that it was not a racial slur.

Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 1560082)

But it's not necessarily a racial slur. I think it's been replaced with "congoid", but I'm pretty sure that's purely a name change just so it doesn't sound offensive, and therefore means the exact same thing. If you want to interpret negroid as racist then I can't do anything about that, but that doesn't mean you get to judge others for not sharing your particular views on language.

Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 1560110)

So if it's not racist then it's still potentially a perfectly valid scientific term. So why shouldn't it be usable? Lot's of things about science offend people, but that doesn't mean that it should bow to social pressure.

Originally Posted by Soulflower (Post 1560071)

Negroid is a racial slur. I really hope and pray the Batlord was joking with that....

Originally Posted by Soulflower (Post 1560257)

Science is every bit of racist. Glad you see the truth for yourself.

Originally Posted by Soulflower (Post 1560257)

Science is every bit of racist. Glad you see the truth for yourself.

Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 1560263)

Yeah, no.



Notice my word choice.



Clearly referencing it as a scientific term and not commenting on its different historical usages.



Oh look. You're conveniently denying that it's a scientific term. Unless of course you're just not communicating clearly your intent with specific word choices.

Quit putting words into my mouth in order to discredit my moral integrity and ignoring all the times when I made clear that I wasn't speaking of its non-scientific usages. That's called an "ad hominem" logical fallacy and it's bull****.

Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls (Post 1560270)

Black lights aren't racist..

Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls (Post 1560270)

Black lights aren't racist.. stop generalizing light bulbs.

Originally Posted by Soulflower (Post 1560271)

You did not which is why I briefly stopped going back in forth with you because some of your statements were offensive imo.

Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls (Post 1560261)

We get it. It is a scientific term that also happens to be a racial slur. No one is debating that. The only point I'm trying to make is that context distinguishes the words meaning and Batlord acknowledged that (you said he didn't).

Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 1560275)

If you thought anything I said was racist then that's because you're actively choosing to misinterpret my statements in a way that justifies your erroneous claims. Don't blame your biased lack of reading comprehension on me. I don't appreciate being called racist simply for not agreeing with every single thing you say regarding race.

Originally Posted by Soulflower (Post 1560277)

YOU may get that but the batlord needs to articulate his own thoughts, not you.

And he did not clearly articulate that point.

Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 1560202)

Of course I would never just call some random black person a negroid. I'd only use it in a discussion where it was clear that we were talking about science. I'm not an idiot.