Self-defense: a white privilege?
 

tl;dr : no-knock raid by cops; home-owners shoot intruders; white guy gets self-defense, black guy gets murder charges.

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These are just two anecdotes and don't represent statistical fact... but it's fairly well known that blacks are profiled by police.

Somehow I just don't believe that.

Yes, white privilege does exist although some white people will tell you otherwise.

It is pretty sad really when a race can not acknowledge that they were born into a privilege because of the color of their skin. It is sad that they do not see how their skin allows them advantages that minorities will always be at a disadvantage simply because they are not white.

For the record, I love everybody and thank God for everyone because we all deserve equality and respect regardless of what race we are but there is simply no denying this social construct that I often see white people in denial about (which proves even more the entitlement and ambivalence with white privileged).

I will just say this and end it, if those 3 teenagers that were shot multiple times and killed in Ferguson were white, all hell would have broke lose but I guess since they were black teenagers in low class/underprivileged neighborhoods its "not that big of a deal".(Like with most racial crimes that involve young black men in America)

If that cop was African American and those three teens were white in a upper class neighborhood, best believe it would have been a different story....

Man, when can news actually be something that's positive? Oh wait, then it wouldn't be news.

It's no big deal guys, let's go riot and protest for no good reason besides having a jolly good time.

^ lol Hey sweets :), you wanna come with me to a protest? If you are interested just let me know. You can see for yourself what a protest is and what it is not.

I wonder would you have this same opinion if the police were tear gassing your neighborhoods and violating your civil rights....probably not.

You seemed to have missed the point. People are making a big deal out of this, not writing it off as you imply.

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If they were making a big deal out of this all 3 of those cops would have been thrown in jail. They oddly are still free.

Justice has not been served.

Once again, this goes back and supports the white privileged construct.

Oddly enough the US judicial system waits until the grand jury investigation or trial concludes to put people in jail. Weird I know.

Well you obviously don't watch crime dramas. :pimp:

Hunny if those 3 cops were African American, they would not be walking free right now.

There would have been a warrant for their arrest.

How is one able to shoot someone unarmed 17 times and is still walking free?

You can still have a fair trial but the entire protocol was not done the way it normally is.

The officer who shot unarmed white teen Dillon Taylor was black and he is still walking free. Hell did not break loose but there have been demonstrations. This was shortly after the shootings in Ferguson. Don't really too heavily on your "ifs". I think that the issue is with police as opposed to the race of the police.

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I think the issue has to do with both.

There is a lot of racial tension down there in Ferguson. I am not sure if you watched the protests but they broadcast a number of videos in which the police were saying racial slurs to the protesters.

was this before or after they felt it nessecary to put their hands on the police officers.
Like it or not they have a job to do .And it's still illegal to put their hands on them, or kick their police cars.

You are right they do have a job to do and there were some disruptive protesters.

However, them being police officers does not give them the right to be disrespectful or violate people's civil rights.

I think whether the protesters were unruly or not, it doesn't excuse anyone calling someone a racial slur.

While the officer in the Utah case is African-American and Dillon Taylor was actually half White and half Spanish, I don't think it was racially motivated. I think that incident happened 3 days after the Ferguson incident where an officer (was allegedly assailed by a teen then) used deadly force. Actually I don't think either case is racially motivated. I understand that those incidents can be incorporated in one's views on race but I don't think it is too healthy to do so, to see them as racial when their is no proof of the officers intention other than following what they were taught. I imagine those incidents are tragic for family and friends and the victim; and are (emotionally) hard to handle for the officers involved as well.

Well I know this is a serious topic, but seeing as this is a music form there's kind of a perfect song for it.


http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=sLg5POTvVzs

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Ikr.

You are right.

It is arguable whether the cop shot the black teen because of his race or not.

However,

There is no doubt that the way the protesters were treated and the entire protocol for how this investigation has been handled has definitely been driven by race/racism.

This must be an American thing, because I'm white and places won't rent to me precisely because of the color of my skin.

Yeah, in the US it depends on the state, too. The deep south is most well known for it, and the laws there don't restrict it:

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VT, NH, and ME should be exempt. Only crackers live there. I stayed with a friend in Bangor, Maine for a week and didn't see one person who wasn't white.

North wins the war and all the black people stay south as a big **** you. :D

Wow, are you ever naive.

Yes, you certainly can be incarcerated without a grand jury or a trial. If you then go to trial and are found guilty, the judge will usually mark off your time that you already served but he doesn't have to.

In the McMartin Preschool school case, one of the accused served 5 years in a sexual offenders wing of a penitentiary (because he was deemed as too dangerous to be free) before he ever went to trial only to be acquitted from lack of evidence.

In another case, a guy was arrested by the DEA over a pot bust, was locked in a holding cell and left there for 5 days without food or water.

I'd suggest you educate yourself about this "judicial system" because you're going to get quite a surprise.

Those're two different things. Racial profiling by the police doesn't have to do with refusing business based on race. Besides, the latter is considered unconstitutional, so you can't do that ANYWHERE.

Who brought up refusing business?

Oh, mordwyr did. I guess I was responding in the context of the OP.

In Japan, they laugh at the notion of racial discrimination. "Of course we don't rent to you -- you're not Japanese! Silly foreigners." And we're expected to get it.

And, you know what? I do. It doesn't bother me a bit being discriminated against because of the color of my skin. I'm doing just fine on my own.

Ain't that the truth.

Exactly.

This is what I was referring to when I said the protocol was not done right.


Usually once someone is charged, they get a warrant for their arrest and once arrested, they go straight to jail until they get bail.

This was not the case for that police officer. The family of Michael Brown wanted to charged the police officer but the police department/city would not allowed it. "They wanted more evidence"

He shot that boy 6 six times!! They have a video tape of the incident and multiple witnesses said that the boy surrendered and the cop still shot him anyway, what more evidence is needed? Here it is November and that cop is still not charged?


Damn shame.

Wait. I thought "crackers" is a racist word. I thought it was like "******" for white people.

^well, at least musicbanter doesn't think they're the same...

I'm white I can say it. I've never been offended by the word cracker or know anybody who has. It's place in society is definitely not comparable to n*gga/er.

Cracker is racist? Wow. Here I was thinking Crackers as in biscuits. I guess I learned that us humans like to put different meanings to the most obscure stuff.

You've never heard "cracker" before? As in the cracking sound of a slave master's whip? This honky don't know nuthin'.

haole ass gringos!

Thinking of cracker as a racist term makes the wiki article infinitely more hilarious

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there's really no racial slurs for white people that will hurt our feelings tbh. we're definitely the master race when it comes to racial insults.

Does Any Party Represent African-Americans?

I'm sure you'll fit in well here.