He said he tried to reach for his mace but could not reach it since he was warding Brown off with his left hand and his mace was on the left side of his utility belt. He doesn't mention a tazer, I just assumed he had one.

I'll have to reread his testimony. He definitely mentioned both and I remember it being reasonable why he didn't use either.

That's incorrect. Go to 1:50. He claims he pulled the trigger 3 times, the first two wouldn't fire (which Chula pointed our earlier isn't a reasonable claim).

I remember listened to Joe Rogan's podcast when he was discussing Zimmerman. He basically said that while he doesn't support Zimmerman, he knows what it is like getting the sh*t kicked out of you. He said that if Zimmerman was getting beat to the point where he may be knocked out, he would probably do just about anything to stop getting beat, as any human being would. Anything could happen if he's knocked out. His throat could be slashed. The end result of that is obviously debatable but the fact remains, if you feel your life is in danger, your instinct is to stay alive, no matter the means.

The more and more I read about this makes me think that Darren Wilson made a split decision and that his fear kept him shooting after the initial shot. I almost sympathize with the guy.

I still feel the whole way this was handled is absolutely insane, but I also think the looting and destruction of property is even more insane. I said this a while ago...we all lose.

All those riots did was give white people another reason to be racist. Every time something like this happens it's like taking 10 steps backwards.

This is taken from the released interviews and evidence Frownland posted earlier:

"I was just trying to keep him off me and get him back. Um, I tried to go for my mace, I couldn't reach around my body to grab it and I know how mace affects me so if I used that in that close proximity I was gonna be disabled per se. And, I didn't know if that was even gonna work on him if I would be able to get a clear shot or anything else. Um, then like I was thinking like picturing my belt going around it. I don't carry a taser so that option was gone and even if I had one with a cartridge on ther, it probably wouldn't have hit him anywhere. Next, I go to my asp. I couldn't get on it...it sits behind me I couldn't reach it, and I was in a car so I couldn't expand it. I have a flashlight I carry in my bag. My duty bag was on the passenger seat. I wasn't willing to give up more of my vehicle and my body to him to lean over and grab it and turn away from him. Um. I thought I was already compromised enough. I drew my firearm, I pointed at him...'stop I'm going to shoot you what I ordered him to get on the ground.' He said, 'you're too much of a ****in' pussy to shoot me' and grabbed my gun. When he grabbed my gun, he twisted it, pointed it at me and into my hip, pelvic area.

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(referring to Michael having control over the gun and eventually getting it point away from his hip and toward the door handle)

"When it got there I saw that it was somewhat lined up with his silhouette and pulled the trigger. Nothing happened. Pulled it again, nothing happened. Um, I believe his fingers were over in between from the hammer and the slide preventing it from firing."


Uh, what? Are you justifying racism? That's a pretty ****ty perspective to have, bro.

F*ck no I'm not justifying racism, but that is the reality of how people respond to that nonsense. Maybe not so much with the more open minded people of our generation but certainly with older folks.

They are just giving all the ignorant white people something to use in their argument for black people "acting like savages".

My apologies. I misread.

Yeh I could see how that comes off sounding bad. I'm not the most articulate poster :D

It's not just white people, old people, racist people, or ignorant people. I personally know several intelligent young people of various races and backgrounds who feel like the rioters were in the wrong because they didn't care to know why the verdict was made before they rioted. These people think that most of the rioters were on the edges of their seats waiting to hear the grand jury's verdict, angry and ready to riot. Maybe true?

Thank you very much for reminding me. In a few hours I'm going to be at Thanksgiving with my racist family, and will most likely get treated to their oh so open-minded thoughts on the matter. And the fact that Obama is somehow involved in all this will just make it even more pleasant.

Every time this **** happens with my family, I just have to remind myself that if I say anything, it'll be like talking to an arrogant wall that gets mad when you disagree with it. So I sit in silence, wondering what it would be like if everyone in my family had as much common sense as my mother.

Is burning down a business that never harmed you in any way not the act of a savage?

Sounds like my house. My family really disgusts me sometimes.

I don't get why people here are defending Michael Brown. Didn't this as-shole show his true nature in the surveillance footage in that shop--stealing merchandise, intimidating the shop owner? He was a big, fat prick. Now he's a dead, big, fat prick and good riddance.

Just yesterday I heard a man say, "We need more good young men like Michael Brown in this country." F-uck you, we have way too many like him.

I don't understand how he can act that way and still get the benefit of the doubt over the cop who shot him. I see no evidence that this cop is lying or that he had any intention of killing an innocent person. He killed Michael Brown because Michael Brown is a f-ucking prick who was asking for it. At least now he won't be sucking up $30,000 a year of taxpayer money as penitentiary inmate because that was clearly his goal in life.

And I loathe the rioters. As soon as you start destroying other people's property, you are nothing but a f-ucking vandal who should be forced to pay restitution AND go to prison with a felony conviction. Such people have no credibility and I am not the slightest bit interested in anything they have to say.

That's my contribution to this thread.

Its amazing how many houses this scenario will play out in today, including mine.

Wow.

Don't hold back man. Let it all out.

(I agree in the most general sense with what your saying but I 100% disagree with your message - you do realize that YOU are a major part of the problem. Right?)

Unless he's going around making his own neighborhood an unlivable ****hole like Brown did and like the rioters are doing he's NOT the problem.

Some black people are rioting over the results of this situation. Therefore, all black people are savages.


You're ****ing stupid.

I'd be willing to wager there's plenty of rioters of other ethnicities, too. And isn't Ferguson predominately and African American city?

Use your goddamn head. Your comments on this event so far are seriously unnerving to anyone with a lick of sense.

It would serve you well to argue against the things I'm actually saying instead of things that you're pretending I said.

That is, if you want to argue.

I assumed your comment was in response to

It doesn't seem farfetched to me that someone might interpret what you said as agreeing with that statement.

Michael Brown was black. He acted like a savage. Thankfully he was killed. His death will benefit all the decent people who would have had the misfortune of having to interact with him if he were still alive. I don't know for sure but my guess is that most of the people whose lives will be a little sunnier without Brown in it are black people. I wish them all the best no matter their ethnicity. Skin color doesn't make you a thug. Being a thug makes you a thug.

*speechless*

Racism - alive and well.

I would rejoice in his death if he were red, yellow, black, or white (or green).

Rejoicing in the death of anyone is ****ing disgusting.

Wow, think you will look back some day and feel like a douche for thinking that way. Hope so anyways.

Nope. I've lived in enough ****ty neighborhoods and dealt with enough ****ty people to be quite certain in my conviction concerning with whom I want to share this planet.

That convenience store footage is all I need to know.

How is what OccultHawk wrote racist?
Hateful and wrong? Sure. But racist... Not sure.

Why? Thugs make the world worse. I want the world to be a better place.

Would you advocate the controlled genocide of all thugs if it were a political option?

lol... i honestly agree with you this time larehip.

i could see that being a beneficial genocide tbh.

I support a very liberal use of the death penalty. I wouldn't start with street thugs, however. I would probably start with bankers who make billions structuring America's economic system of debt, those guilty of usury, basically. Then I would move on to the ultra-rich who have profitted tremendously from meaningless wars. The Halliburton types. War criminals in general. And people who have profitted from the oppression of non-violent people through incarcerating people for marijuana in privately run for profit prisons. And violent street criminals, them too. They're not first in line but they are in the line.

It's never going to be my world so it's not like it matters.

Look, with more than 7 billion people on this planet human life isn't something we need to get all persnickety about.

Troll.

You think I'm insincere and just trying to work people up for attention?

Considering the amount of riots and hate towards what has happened because of this whole ordeal, I'm pretty sure the world is now worse because of it. If you think people blowing up cars and rioting all over country is making the world better, well that's your own issue.

Because Brown was a thug or because a cop did his job?

That wasn't my point. I said due to what happened in this whole ordeal (meaning the anger that went with the cop not getting charged / the kid being shot), riots took place. Is rioting making the world better?

I didn't say you had a point. I asked a question.

Are rioters making the world better?

No.

Then how is the fact that the supposed thug being killed making the world better? The rioters are the result of both the kid being shot and the cop getting away, and yet you say it's not.