i don't have the source i was thinking of. so i gave you one which made very similar claims. it doesn't account for every single type of crime, i will concede that point.

I wasn't looking for it to account for every single type of crime, I was just looking for it to support your claim, which it didn't.

well i guess i'll just amend my claim to rape, burglary and robbery instead of "violent crime". since as you said.. there are problems with comparing "violent crime" in general... so it is actually better to compare specific crimes.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...her-violent-c/

so you're right to correct me using the term "violent crime." beyond that though my point is the same.

It's called political correctness and it's rooted in totalitarian theology, it basically resulted in my departure from supporting the left.

I questioned immigration on this forum solely from an economic perspective, and although I never had any accusations thrown at me, I was left with the distinct impression of uh oh....something's wrong with William, better step away from him.

I've even re thought my whole analysis on economics and immigration, and in terms of GDP growth it might be a good idea to erase the Canadian & Mexican borders ,and have a North American Union like the EU in the long run....(so I'm currently in favour of this, though my mind may change tomorrow.)

Nevertheless, every time I posted something in favour of Trump, I can't help but think people are thinking "He must be for the wall" when that is the furthest thing on my mind on why I was supporting him.

so i'm trying to find the actual stats for london and ny... the most recent annual data i could find for ny was 2013, but the london stats are for the last 12 months

............| murder.|rape..|.robbery|.burglary
london....|107......|5331..|..21,968|..71,541
ny..........|335......|1112..|..19,170|..16,606

Metropolitan Police Service - Crime Figures
Crime in New York, New York (NY): murders, rapes, robberies, assaults, burglaries, thefts, auto thefts, arson, law enforcement employees, police officers, crime map

i can't do "assault" because london doesn't list that. the closest thing they have is "violence against the person", which janz noted is vague. that figure is at 212,240 annually, while ny lists 31,767 annual "assaults." obviously these terms probably have different meanings so they can't really be compared... for whatever reason they don't have any stats on what we would consider "assaults" in london so there's nothing i can do about that.

It's not that it's being downplayed, but you can't have selective immigration where immigrants from different cultures will get along nicely, otherwise you'd end up with a very linear racial program which prejudices against certain groups. The whole process unfortunately for immigrants is a tough one and the melting pot in which they're thrown is just part of the process and can't be changed, as immigration out of necessity is never going to be easy.

Now of course we have some serious problems in the wake of the Paris attacks, as people think, well, if these guys had not been let in to France/Europe in the first place, they wouldn't have been in a position to carry out those atrocities.

It's a hard one to argue against, even given my stance on immigration. I know the chances are it's a tiny percentage, that most of the immigrants are genuine, but even so, it only takes two or three people to get together, plan, and cause absolute carnage...

Except all or almost all of the people who committed the Paris attacks weren't immigrants.

Well they were. They weren't born in France, they emigrated there. So they're immigrants. Aren't they? I mean, names like they're putting out on the news, they're not French names surely...

*facepalm*

My first name is French but that doesn't mean that I emigrated from France. You can be born in a place without your parents changing your last name to be more fitting.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graph...paris-attacks/