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Chula Vista 10-09-2016 11:10 PM

Every single poll from every single angle has Clinton killing him tonight.

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Men
Women
Undecided
Specific Issues

Her approval rating is now up to 55% while his is at 38%. The tides have definitely turned. :wave:

His surrogates were drowning tonight trying to defend him and had their colleagues outright laughing and shaking their heads in disbelief over some of the ridiculous crap they were trying to get to stick.

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Lucem Ferre 10-09-2016 11:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Terrapin_Station (Post 1755206)
What's ridiculous is that you think your conclusion there has anything whatsoever to do with deductive logic. It doesn't.

Unfortunately I doubt you even have any idea how deductive validity is conventionally defined. You could look it up, of course, but I'd bet anything you not be able to explain it or relay the conventional implications of it with respect to something like the impetus for developing relevance logics.

You can make mendacious claims all day about the validity and understanding of logic, but at this point I understand it's not worth my time arguing with your self contradicting try hard attempt at proving a point.

Terrapin_Station 10-10-2016 05:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista (Post 1755209)
Terrapin, do you have a wife or daughter(s)?

Yes, both.
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If yes, how do they feel about that Trump tape?
That it's ridiculous that people were making such a big deal out of it. They feel the same way, as I do, about things like harping on Hillary's emails, historical stuff with Bill, etc.

Like me, they see all of that stuff as a stupid distraction from what matters: candidates talking about what they're going to attempt to do if they're elected; what their goals are, at least some rough ideas how they plan to achieve those goals (with the understanding that they do not have absolute power, might have to compromise, change plans, etc.), how they will attempt to impact our daily lives for the better, and so on.

All the scandal-type crap that people constantly focus on is a complete waste of time. But that's a lot easier on all ends--the politicians', public's, and the media's--than focusing on issues that matter, that make a difference, etc. It's as if people want to be outraged, offended, etc. rather than trying to do anything positive, rather than trying to make any changes, etc. And it's not just in politics "proper" that this happens. Look at reactions to something like Colin Kaepernick's refusing to say the Pledge of Allegiance. Yeah, let's just get upset about that instead of giving two $h|ts about the impetus behind it, instead of figuring out what we can do to change the situation between the police and the citizenry.

If people, including the media, want to get outraged, how about getting outraged that candidates do not have any sort of specific/detailed plans regarding how to make sure that everyone has shelter, food, health care, education, employment, etc.? I'd like to see debates moderated so that when they ask candidates a question, as soon as the candidate starts to go off-topic, as soon as they start to bring up scandal crap, personal attacks, etc. instead, their mics are cut off.

Ol’ Qwerty Bastard 10-10-2016 05:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Exo (Post 1755218)
There are numerous issues with Trump during this debate and his demeanor, positioning, and whining are none if them. I dont really give a sh*t about those things when somebody is dodging questions about sexual assault, threatening to jail a political oponent, suggesting we team up with Russia, refusing to talk about his tax records, CLAIMING WE HAVE FALLEN BEHIND ON OUR NUCLEAR WEAPONS, displaying zero knowledge on what a Senator can and can't influence with a single vote, forgetting that Congress exists, and claiming that he not only disagrees with his running mate but also hasn't even fucking talked to him.

Again, I don't support Hillary, but I'm appalled at what I just witnessed during a presidential debate for the POTUS in 2016.

I agree with most of this. Hillary was driving me nuts too though, how many times can you say "that's simply not true" before actually providing us with reasoning for it not being true? I felt like I was watching a high school election from a Disney channel show.

Terrapin_Station 10-10-2016 05:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Lucem Ferre (Post 1755228)
You can make mendacious claims all day about the validity and understanding of logic, but at this point I understand it's not worth my time arguing with your self contradicting try hard attempt at proving a point.

It's not worth it on your end because you don't know what the fnck you're talking about (re bringing up deductive logic for example). You wouldn't know a simple modus ponens if it bent you over and sodomized you.

Goofle 10-10-2016 08:09 AM

That was an amazing debate between Trump and the moderators.

Ol’ Qwerty Bastard 10-10-2016 08:28 AM

I'm in love with your avi.

Terrapin_Station 10-10-2016 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Qwertyy (Post 1755259)
I'm in love with your avi.

It's like a Donald Trump shampoo advertisement.

William_the_Bloody 10-10-2016 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Goofle (Post 1755257)
That was an amazing debate between Trump and the moderators.

Considering that it was MSNBC and moderated by Anderson Cooper, I'm surprised a$$hole number 1 (Trump) beat a$$hole number 2 (Clinton) considering the softball questions she got.

or is it Clinton who is a$$hole number 1, it's hard to figure out at this point...should i go with the misogamist narcissist conman or the pathological lying corporate stooge. I think they're both interchangeble a$$holes at this point.

Goofle 10-10-2016 11:36 AM

Judge them by policies if you feel that way.


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