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Originally Posted by djchameleon (Post 1757607)

I don't think it's about pushing for a difference. The type of change that would be needed would requirement a shit load of people. There just aren't enough that currently care about making changes to the current system that we are in.

Yeah but to defend that by saying "that's just how it is" is just a cop out.

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Originally Posted by Ki (Post 1757609)

Yeah but to defend that by saying "that's just how it is" is just a cop out.

..but it is how it is.

What do you expect?

There isn't much of anything that can be done. I don't think it's a cop out. I think it's reality and being realistic.

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Originally Posted by djchameleon (Post 1757618)

..but it is how it is.

What do you expect?

There isn't much of anything that can be done. I don't think it's a cop out. I think it's reality and being realistic.

I just like to feel motivated to change instead of putting up with the broken system we have. I'm a bit optimistic in that regard I admit.

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Originally Posted by Ki (Post 1757621)

I just like to feel motivated to change instead of putting up with the broken system we have. I'm a bit optimistic in that regard I admit.

It's good to be optimistic and feeling motivated to change but you have to find thousands that are just like you to be able to make a dent in changing the current system.

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Originally Posted by djchameleon (Post 1757623)

It's good to be optimistic and feeling motivated to change but you have to find thousands that are just like you to be able to make a dent in changing the current system.

Yeah. I just still find admitting a problem as a cop out. That's just me.

It's not like these are the two least favourable candidates in the history of American presidential races or anything.

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Originally Posted by Ki (Post 1757625)

Yeah. I just still find admitting a problem as a cop out. That's just me.

If you are acknowledging a problem how is it a cop out then?

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Originally Posted by djchameleon (Post 1757631)

If you are acknowledging a problem how is it a cop out then?

In the context of the argument it is.

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Originally Posted by Goofle (Post 1757572)

And lacking compassion doesn't mean you can't be friendly. Two different things. I'm thinking more about defending alleged rapists, laughing about it years later and all of the other stuff regarding Bill Clinton's alleged sexual assault charges.

Why do a lot of you fail in fact checking from non-partisan sources before standing by stupid claims?

http://www.snopes.com/hillary-clinto...ghed-about-it/

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Originally Posted by Ki (Post 1757604)

This is such a cop out reasoning that it's stupid. Are you insinuating we are not allowed to push for a difference? I get that you're too old to give a ****, but saying this type of thing is both irritating and offensive to the younger generation.

Stop ****ing putting words in my mouth Ki. I'm getting a little sick and tired of it. I DIDN'T INSINUATE THAT YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO PUSH FOR CHANGE. And accepting the reality of how things are is not stupid. It's practical. Why should I throw my vote away when none of the third party candidates stand a snowballs chance in hell of getting even 5 electoral votes, let alone 270.

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Originally Posted by djchameleon (Post 1757607)

Ki, how much time have you spent away from the forum getting out there and championing for change in a way that could truly matter? Or do you just hang around here whining about why we can't have change???

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Originally Posted by Ki (Post 1757633)

In the context of the argument it is.

I'm not arguing in this case. I'm being realistic. And saying I'm too old and must therefore not give a **** is just hitting low. I've been one of the most active members in the political threads from the start. I just like dealing in facts and having my vote count rather than relying on party line BS and pipe dreams.

Congratulations on voting in evil, Chula. It's nice to know that your vote really counts I guess.

I put my ballot in the mail today. Vermin Supreme better take this.