What Did President Trump Do Now?

duga · 02-10-2017, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord

They also shifted because of unprecedented social reforms that ended segregation in an era when white Southerners were willing to support something like segregation. That's quite a bit more extreme than simply trying to make nice with Latinos. It is a gamble, but much less of one than in the past.

It's all relative. I feel like the people of the 60s were much more informed than people today. In a world where a large chunk of us don't believe in evolution, don't know that the ACA and Obamacare are the same thing, and take the Bowling Green massacre as fact and run with it...favoring Latinos might be enough.

Like I said, you are probably right...but ****, no one thought Trump would be president. So I try to prepare for anything.

Chula Vista · 02-10-2017, 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by duga

but ****, no one thought Trump would be president. So I try to prepare for anything.

I've been alive for almost 57 years and have lived through a lot of ****. Kennedy's funeral on the B&W television being one of my earliest clear memories. Then Bobby, MLK, Vietnam, Watergate, Kent State, 72 Munich Olympics, and on and on and on and on......

Sitting in front of the television on election night and slowly seeing the results inch towards his victory was the only time in my life when the logical portion of my brain turned completely inside out.

It wasn't a gut punch like The Challenger or 9/11. It was more like realizing my country had once and for all truly lost its collective mind.

Just stating a perspective. Not looking for any debates.

Chula Vista · 02-10-2017, 03:45 PM

From film producer Scott Mednick:

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A Trump supporting Facebook friend told me, "We suffered under Obama for eight years. Now it’s your turn.”

"I am surprised you would wish suffering upon me. That of course is your right, I suppose. I do not wish harm on anyone. Your statement seems to continue the ‘US v THEM’ mentality. The election is over. It is important to get past campaigning and campaign rhetoric and get down to what is uniting, not dividing and what is best for ALL Americans.
There will never be a President who does everything to everyone’s liking. There are things President Obama (and President Clinton) did that I do not like and conversely there are things I can point to that the Presidents Bush did that I agree with. So I am not 100% in lock step with the outgoing President but have supported him and the overall job he did.

And, if you recall, during the Presidential Campaign back in 2008 the campaign was halted because of the "historic crisis in our financial system." Wall Street bailout negotiations intervened in the election process. The very sobering reality was that there likely could be a Depression and the world financial markets could collapse. The United States was losing 800,000 jobs a month and was poised to lose at least 10 million jobs the first year once the new President took office. We were in an economic freefall. So let us recall that ALL of America was suffering terribly at the beginning of Obama’s Presidency.

But I wanted to look back over the last 8 years and ask you a few questions. Since much of the rhetoric before Obama was elected was that he would impose Sharia Law, Take Away Your Guns, Create Death Panels, Destroy the Economy, Impose Socialism and, since you will agree that NONE of this came to pass,
I was wondering:
Why have you suffered so?
So let me ask:

Gays and Lesbians can now marry and enjoy the benefits they had been deprived of. Has this caused your suffering?
When Obama took office, the Dow was 6,626. Now it is 19,875. Has this caused your suffering?
We had 82 straight months of private sector job growth - the longest streak in the history of the United States. Has this caused your suffering?
Especially considering where he the economy was when he took over, an amazing 11.3 million new jobs were created under President Obama (far more than President Bush). Has this caused your suffering?
Obama has taken Unemployment from 10% down to 4.7%. Has this caused your suffering?
Homelessness among US Veterans has dropped by half. Has this caused your suffering?
Obama shut down the US secret overseas prisons. Has this caused your suffering?
President Obama has created a policy for the families of fallen soldiers to have their travel paid for to be there when remains are flown home. Has this caused your suffering?
We landed a rover on Mars. Has this caused your suffering?
He passed the Matthew Shepard Hate Crimes Prevention Act. Has this caused your suffering?
Uninsured adults has decreased to below 10%: 90% of adults are insured - an increase of 20 Million Adults. Has this caused your suffering?
People are now covered for pre-existing conditions. Has this caused your suffering?
Insurance Premiums increased an average of $4,677 from 2002-2008, an increase of 58% under Bush. The growth of these
insurance premiums has gone up $4,145 – a slower rate of increase. Has this caused your suffering?
Obama added Billions of dollars to mental health care for our Veterans. Has this caused your suffering?
Consumer confidence has gone from 37.7 to 98.1 during Obama’s tenure. Has this caused your suffering?
He passed the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act. Has this caused your suffering?
His bi-annual Nuclear Summit convinced 16 countries to give up and destroy all their loose nuclear material so it could not be stolen. Has this caused your suffering?
He saved the US Auto industry. American cars sold at the beginning of his term were 10.4M and upon his exit 17.5M. Has this caused your suffering?
The deficit as a percentage of the GDP has gone from 9.8% to 3.2%. Has this caused your suffering?
The deficit itself was cut by $800 Billion Dollars. Has this caused your suffering?
Obama preserved the middle class tax cuts. Has this caused your suffering?
Obama banned solitary confinement for juveniles in federal prisons. Has this caused your suffering?
He signed Credit Card reform so that rates could not be raised without you being notified. Has this caused your suffering?
He outlawed Government contractors from discriminating against LGBT persons. Has this caused your suffering?
He doubled Pell Grants. Has this caused your suffering?
Abortion is down. Has this caused your suffering?
Violent crime is down. Has this caused your suffering?
He overturned the scientific ban on stem cell research. Has this caused your suffering?
He protected Net Neutrality. Has this caused your suffering?
Obamacare has extended the life of the Medicare insurance trust fund (will be solvent until 2030). Has this caused your suffering?
President Obama repealed Don't Ask Don't Tell. Has this caused your suffering?
He banned torture. Has this caused your suffering?
He negotiated with Syria to give up its chemical weapons and they were destroyed. Has this caused your suffering?
Solar and Wind Power are at an all time high. Has this caused your suffering?
High School Graduation rates hit 83% - an all time high. Has this caused your suffering?
Corporate profits are up by 144%. Has this caused your suffering?
He normalized relations with Cuba. Has this caused your suffering?
Reliance on foreign oil is at a 40 year low. Has this caused your suffering?
US Exports are up 28%. Has this caused your suffering?
He appointed the most diverse cabinet ever. Has this caused your suffering?
He reduced the number of troops in both Iraq and Afghanistan. Has this caused your suffering?
Yes, he killed Osama Bin Laden and retrieved all the documents in his possession for analysis. Perhaps THIS caused your suffering?

From an objective standpoint it would appear that the last eight years have seen some great progress and we were saved from a financial collapse. Things are not perfect. Things can always be better. We are on much better footing now than we were in 2008.
I look forward to understanding what caused you to suffer so much under Obama these last eight years."

djchameleon · 02-10-2017, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

No they don't though lol
It's neither of those things

Latinos across the board regardless of income vote Democrat because from civil rights onward Dems have refrained from **** talking them

It's similar to the reason African Americans are going to be firmly Democratic for the foreseeable future

Repubs played the short term game Dems are very likely to win out in the long term

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Originally Posted by elphenor

Repubs tried appealing to Latinos with Rubio

He was basically disqualified immediately by talking about Latinos as if they're human beings

You're not understanding how important white nationalism is to the Republican base

It's not that they'll switch Democrat but they won't show up for a pro immigration candidate

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Originally Posted by elphenor

I don't think the country is any different than it was when Obama won it was just a perfect storm Trump is more like a natural disaster

Of course it is different. The people working in industrial areas aren't doing well so they changed and went Republican this time hoping for a better outcome with their job situation. Also how do you think Trump won Florida? Latinos turned out for him. More Latinos voted for him than they voted for Romney back in 2012

Chula Vista · 02-10-2017, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by djchameleon

Also how do you think Trump won Florida? Latinos turned out for him. More Latinos voted for him than they voted for Romney back in 2012

I call BS. The overwhelmingly latino sections of Florida voted Clinton. Trump won Florida because of the older Wonder Bread White retirees living out in all of the boondock counties.

Florida Election Results 2016: President Live Map by County, Real-Time Voting Updates - POLITICO

djchameleon · 02-10-2017, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista

I call BS. The overwhelmingly latino sections of Florida voted Clinton. Trump won Florida because of the older Wonder Bread White retirees living out in all of the boondock counties.

Florida Election Results 2016: President Live Map by County, Real-Time Voting Updates - POLITICO

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Trump actually performed better among Hispanics than Romney did — 29 percent to 27 percent. More tellingly, Clinton underperformed Obama's 2012 showing among Hispanics by six points (71 percent for Obama, 65 percent for Clinton), an underperformance that allowed Trump's slight overperformance among white voters to matter more.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...016-exit-poll/

Chula Vista · 02-10-2017, 05:32 PM

DJ: Kinda a far cry from "Trump won Florida because of Latinos". Florida's demographics show only about a 20% hispanic population and the vast majority of them are living in the metropolitan areas, not rural - which is what won Trump the electoral votes.

Interesting to note that Trump only beat Clinton by 100K votes. Gary Johnson got 200K votes.

Chula Vista · 02-10-2017, 09:23 PM

What are we? Three weeks in? Good lord. There wasn't this much **** tossed at the wall in Obama's first term for Christ sakes. These are just today's headlines.

US investigators corroborate some aspects of the Russia dossier - CNNPolitics.com

Trump to Dems: 'Pocahontas is now the face of your party' - CNNPolitics.com

Trump says he's unaware of reports Flynn discussed sanctions with Russian ambassador - CNNPolitics.com

Spicer Tries for Better Insult Than 'Fake News,' Fails

Bipartisan calls for Conway investigation after Ivanka Trump plug - CNNPolitics.com

Anger erupts at Republican town halls - CNNPolitics.com

Boo Yah!

Anteater · 02-10-2017, 09:37 PM

I'm still amazed 4chan managed to troll Rick Wilson, John McCain and even the CIA with that dossier. But we also live in a world where some of the top guys in the Democratic Party don't know how phishing emails work, so maybe the world really is that stupid. Unprecedented!

Lucem Ferre · 02-10-2017, 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Anteater

I'm still amazed 4chan managed to troll Rick Wilson, John McCain and even the CIA with that dossier. But we also live in a world where some of the top guys in the Democratic Party don't know how phishing emails work, so maybe the world really is that stupid. Unprecedented!

I mean, Trump was elected, there is no questioning IF our country is stupid, it's how to fix our stupid country.

02-10-2017, 05:32 PM	#2067 (permalink)
Chula Vista Toasted Poster Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: SoCal by way of Boston Posts: 11,332	DJ: Kinda a far cry from "Trump won Florida because of Latinos". Florida's demographics show only about a 20% hispanic population and the vast majority of them are living in the metropolitan areas, not rural - which is what won Trump the electoral votes. Interesting to note that Trump only beat Clinton by 100K votes. Gary Johnson got 200K votes. __________________ “The fact that we live at the bottom of a deep gravity well, on the surface of a gas covered planet going around a nuclear fireball 90 million miles away and think this to be normal is obviously some indication of how skewed our perspective tends to be.”

02-10-2017, 09:23 PM	#2068 (permalink)
Chula Vista Toasted Poster Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: SoCal by way of Boston Posts: 11,332	What are we? Three weeks in? Good lord. There wasn't this much **** tossed at the wall in Obama's first term for Christ sakes. These are just today's headlines. US investigators corroborate some aspects of the Russia dossier - CNNPolitics.com Trump to Dems: 'Pocahontas is now the face of your party' - CNNPolitics.com Trump says he's unaware of reports Flynn discussed sanctions with Russian ambassador - CNNPolitics.com Spicer Tries for Better Insult Than 'Fake News,' Fails Bipartisan calls for Conway investigation after Ivanka Trump plug - CNNPolitics.com Anger erupts at Republican town halls - CNNPolitics.com Boo Yah! __________________ “The fact that we live at the bottom of a deep gravity well, on the surface of a gas covered planet going around a nuclear fireball 90 million miles away and think this to be normal is obviously some indication of how skewed our perspective tends to be.” Last edited by Chula Vista; 02-10-2017 at 09:29 PM.