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Neapolitan 01-18-2017 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista (Post 1797193)
Seriously, that's all you got? Face palm.

Intel chiefs presented Trump with claims of Russian efforts to compromise him - CNNPolitics.com

A bunch of top officials including Obama and Biden substantiated CNN's story to the point that Kellyanne Conway went missing the next day after accusing CNN of fake news. Trump simply will not take on any serious or controversial questions unless they come from a shill.

Speaking of shills....


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We asked two veterans of the CIA in the US and one former MI5 agent in Europe. They have 32 years of intelligence experience among them. All three had a low opinion of the document's quality.

The sources were not able to say outright that the document's information was false. Its contents remain mostly unverified, though Trump has called the document "fake news" and "a complete fraud." Some of its details have turned out to be wrong. Trump lawyer Michael Cohen has denied having ever been to Prague, for instance, with intelligence agencies reportedly believing that a mention in the document of a meeting in Prague involving someone with that name refers to a different Michael Cohen. Other parts of it summarise matters of public record — former Trump campaign manager Paul Manafort's links to Ukraine, for instance.
Intel experts on Christopher Steele's Trump Russia blackmail dossier - Business Insider

Chula Vista 01-18-2017 07:58 PM

CNN didn't report that the information was accurate. Only that it had been forwarded to Trump and his team. You understand the difference, right?

Neapolitan 01-18-2017 09:16 PM

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36. A Quinnipiac poll showed Trump’s favorability ratings continuing to slide to historic lows for modern day presidents: only 37% of Americans view Trump favorably.
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features...-age-of-trump/

TheQuinnipiac University poll had Trump approval rating at 37%, with "NBC News / Wall Street Journal" and the Gallup Poll had his rating seven points higher at 44%. The average of five pollster shown in the article was 41%.

Only half of eligible voters went out to vote the last election, and they split their vote. So lets say about 25% of Americans voted Trump into office. Now let's say his approval rating is the average, at 41%, then it looks like his approval rating went up 16 points. Keep the spin coming Chula, #lol@37%

Tristan_Geoff 01-18-2017 09:28 PM

It's 36 now

Chula Vista 01-18-2017 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Neapolitan (Post 1797255)
Keep the spin coming Chula.

Please do not become Goofle rev 2.0

Neapolitan 01-18-2017 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista (Post 1797270)
Please do not become Goofle rev 2.0

I am Goofle11.2!

Anteater 01-18-2017 11:29 PM

The only thing Trump losing the popular vote told me is that a lot of people in California hate him. I don't live in California. I'm not also not someone who sexually identifies as a helicopter nor am I part of the Diet Coke "American liberal" majority that seem to hold thrall in that neck of the woods. Therefore, who cares? There's no magical right answer that'll make everyone happy anyway, but if they truly gave two fucks about putting the right candidate into office they'd have supported Sanders instead of Hillary to begin with.

Janszoon 01-19-2017 12:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Anteater (Post 1797282)
The only thing Trump losing the popular vote told me is that a lot of people in California hate him. I don't live in California.

The popular vote is comprised of everyone who voted in the entire country, not just California. I'm not sure why this strange notion that somehow it's all California has caught on among conservatives, but it's really dumb.

Neapolitan 01-19-2017 12:54 AM

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 1797265)
Trump is the most hated president of all time and lost the popular vote by a pretty staggering amount

These are not partisan arguments this is the reality that the guy who won wasn't the person the people wanted

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 1797272)
"I have already decided what I want to believe reality means nothing to me"

The reality is that Trump won the majority of the Electoral College, 304 to 227. The Electoral College is a system that has been established in the US Constitution and has been the reality of the United States of America for the past two hundred and forty years. It would be interesting to see what kind of reality you live in where you can blatantly ignore that.

Ol’ Qwerty Bastard 01-19-2017 05:35 AM

this thread

http://i1.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/...40/681/b7d.jpg

Anteater 01-19-2017 07:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Janszoon (Post 1797286)
The popular vote is comprised of everyone who voted in the entire country, not just California. I'm not sure why this strange notion that somehow it's all California has caught on among conservatives, but it's really dumb.

1. I'm not a Conservative.

2. You would have to be stupid to think that 3 million "extra" votes Hillary got came from some state outside of California or NY.

djchameleon 01-19-2017 07:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Anteater (Post 1797314)
2. You would have to be stupid to think that 3 million "extra" votes Hillary got came from some state outside of California or NY.

Or maybe those 3 million votes came from a variety of different states and not only just Cali and NY.

Frownland 01-19-2017 07:52 AM

She only got 3 million votes?

djchameleon 01-19-2017 07:53 AM

3 million more than trump's overall.

Yes.

I should have probably posted this.

http://www.amny.com/news/politics/se...now-1.12789473

There is a section at the bottom with the confirmation hearings but most of them are already done. Only like two left. I wish there was a specific date when we would know they are voting.

Jan. 10-11, 9:30 a.m.: Jeff Sessions, attorney general
Jan. 10, 3:30 p.m.: John Kelly, director of homeland security
Jan. 11, 9 a.m.: Rex Tillerson, secretary of state
Jan. 11, 10:15 a.m.: Elaine Chao, secretary of transportation
Jan. 12, 9:30 a.m.: James Mattis, secretary of defense
Jan. 12, 10 a.m.: Mike Pompeo, CIA director
Jan. 12, 10 a.m.: Ben Carson, secretary of housing
Jan. 17, 2:15 p.m.: Ryan Zinke, secretary of the Interior
Jan. 17, 5 p.m.: Betsy DeVos, secretary of education
Jan. 18, 10 a.m.: Wilbur Ross, secretary of commerce
Jan. 18, 10 a.m.: Scott Pruitt, EPA administrator
Jan. 18, 10 a.m.: Tom Price, secretary of health and human services
Jan. 18, 10:10 a.m.: Nikki Haley, U.S. ambassador to the United Nations
Jan 19, 10 a.m.: Rick Perry, secretary of energy
Jan. 19, 10 a.m.: Steven Mnuchin, treasury secretary
Jan. 24, 10:30 a.m.: Linda McMahon, Administrator of the Small Business Administration

Psy-Fi 01-19-2017 07:56 AM

The results of the popular vote by state...

2016 National Popular Vote Tracker (Final)

riseagainstrocks 01-19-2017 07:56 AM

The soon-to-be President called a massive news organization a bunch of liars in the middle of a nationally televised press conference. Representative of that organization asks for the opportunity to defend himself (we'll never know, but I suspect it would be to clarify that what they reported was that intelligence officials were briefing Trump on the dossier, as opposed to saying it was true - a distinction that the Brietbarts and Infowars of the world DO NOT make). The President-elect then continues to berate this reporter and calls on his good friends at **** Decency, This is the Internet (outrageous headlines from the President's favorite "journalists") for his next soft-pitch.

This isn't partisan for me. I lean left, but I'm hardly a Hillary or Bernie supporter. If Mike Pence was giving these press conferences he would let the question be asked and if was unfair, he would attack it. This is what rational humans do. Trump is plunging his tiny hands into the body politic, ripping out organs of the state, and severing connections between all the moving parts.

And to rebut Neapolitan's point, there are over 200 million registered voters. For ease of argument, let's say 200 million exactly (source). Donald Trump received 62,979,636 votes (let's call it 63 million - source). Therefore, 31.5% of eligible voters cast their ballots for him. But none of this matters when you look at approval ratings. Your choice goes from this person vs. this person to thoughts on a single person. Approval rating polls are conducted among voters and non-voters, Republicans, Democrats, and others.

What is a fact is that Donald J. Trump has historically low approval ratings for how the transition is being handled (source). Could have something to do with his know-nothing appointments to Housing and Urban Development (1:40-2:00 is a classic gaff, obviously not what he meant, but still), Education (Devoss), and, to a lesser extent, Health and Human Services.

You guys could take the tack of: 'yeah Donald Trump isn't really a Republican or conservative, but he won, so let's be vigilant when he oversteps and make ourselves heard so he shuts down his 3 AM twitter "diplomacy", but overall we need to support the President.' But instead I see a full-throated defense of many of his outrageous statements, actions, contradictions, and tantrums. That, I don't get.

Finally, I've made a couple of thorough responses to several of you in here that have not been replied to. Is MB just a place to make statements and have petty fights? If so, I'll stop attempting actual discourse. Just trying to figure out the how the culture has changed here.

Frownland 01-19-2017 07:58 AM

My point was that she got 62 million votes, so pinning it all on California is a bit absurd given that we don't have that many people nor do we vote 100% blue (this election, only 60% of Cali voters picked Hillary).

Anteater 01-19-2017 08:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1797320)
My point was that she got 62 million votes, so pinning it all on California is a bit absurd given that we don't have that many people nor do we vote 100% blue (this election, only 60% of Cali voters picked Hillary).

And my point is that if you took New York OR California out of the equation (or more specifically, Los Angeles and New York City), she wouldn't have won the popular vote at all. There would be no 3 million lead coming from one population center.

While I agree that the Electoral College system has some issues, I also believe that without a winner take all system you'd have a democracy where your vote doesn't really matter if you don't live in one of the two most concentrated population centers in the country. A straight popular vote as our end-to-end election process would be stupid when you have so many different population segments scattered across this landmass...where political affiliation is, for the most part, set in stone already BASED on geographical region or even the city in which you live.

As it is, at least we have a bit more diversity by doing things geographically, because otherwise even a large state like Texas would be marginalized in every future election just because Dallas or Houston don't have the same level of population density as L.A.

Frownland 01-19-2017 08:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Anteater (Post 1797322)
And my point is that if you took New York OR California out of the equation, she wouldn't have won the popular vote at all. There would be no 3 million lead.

And if we took out Texas Trump would be in the dumps. Your point?

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While I agree that the Electoral College system has some issues, I also believe that without a winner take all system you'd have a democracy where your vote doesn't really matter if you don't live in one of the two most concentrated population centers in the country.
A winner take all system makes every minority vote literally pointless. If we did it by district that would make a lot more sense.

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As it is, at least we have a bit more diversity by doing things geographically, because otherwise even a large state like Texas would be marginalized in every future election just because Dallas or Houston don't have the same level of population density as L.A.
One man, one vote. More people, more votes. It's pretty simple.

Anteater 01-19-2017 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1797326)
One man, one vote. More people, more votes. It's pretty simple.

So are you going to make every person in the country move to L.A. then? Cause if they choose to live anywhere else, their vote will not matter.

Voting by district would make a little more sense though.

Frownland 01-19-2017 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Anteater (Post 1797328)
So are you going to make every person in the country move to L.A. then?

Yes, obviously.

Just curious, what are your thoughts on affirmative action?

Anteater 01-19-2017 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1797329)
Yes, obviously.

Just curious, what are your thoughts on affirmative action?

Lol...

Affirmative action is great institutionally. Discrimination, unfortunately, happens regardless of what legislation is in place. It even emerges at companies where you'd think they should know better. The question of how much or how little the government should do will be an ongoing debate 'til the end of time.

CNN Faces Racial Discrimination Class-Action Lawsuit | Variety

Frownland 01-19-2017 08:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Anteater (Post 1797328)
Cause if they choose to live anywhere else, their vote will not matter.

Combatting this victimization of having a less popular opinion by making the votes from LA not matter doesn't solve anything.

Frownland 01-19-2017 08:41 AM

A message for John Lewis and any whiners who patted themselves on the back for posting "Not my president!" on Facebook.


Ol’ Qwerty Bastard 01-19-2017 08:48 AM

on my way home from school i was stopped by a news reporter and asked for my thoughts on trump. i'm kinda scared though because the friend i was with is a trump supporter so if they only show what he said i'll end up on the news looking like a douchenozzle who thinks trump is going to "fix america and end pc culture."

Frownland 01-19-2017 08:51 AM

That feeling when Trump's pandering is literal political correctness.

Ol’ Qwerty Bastard 01-19-2017 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1797343)
That feeling when Trump's pandering is literal political correctness.

i agree. i went on a rant about the state of politics and the influence of the media and the internet but i doubt it'll make the news. whereas my friend screaming about immigration and pc culture is almost guaranteed.

Frownland 01-19-2017 08:59 AM

Hang on, is your sidekick one of those half-informed Trump supporters or is this a different friend?

Ol’ Qwerty Bastard 01-19-2017 09:08 AM

my sidekick?

edit - oh wait, yeah. it's him.

Frownland 01-19-2017 09:08 AM

lol mine is too

Chula Vista 01-19-2017 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by riseagainstrocks (Post 1797319)
The soon-to-be President called a massive news organization a bunch of liars in the middle of a nationally televised press conference. Representative of that organization asks for the opportunity to defend himself (we'll never know, but I suspect it would be to clarify that what they reported was that intelligence officials were briefing Trump on the dossier, as opposed to saying it was true - a distinction that the Brietbarts and Infowars of the world DO NOT make). The President-elect then continues to berate this reporter and calls on his good friends at **** Decency, This is the Internet (outrageous headlines from the President's favorite "journalists") for his next soft-pitch.

This isn't partisan for me. I lean left, but I'm hardly a Hillary or Bernie supporter. If Mike Pence was giving these press conferences he would let the question be asked and if was unfair, he would attack it. This is what rational humans do. Trump is plunging his tiny hands into the body politic, ripping out organs of the state, and severing connections between all the moving parts.

And to rebut Neapolitan's point, there are over 200 million registered voters. For ease of argument, let's say 200 million exactly (source). Donald Trump received 62,979,636 votes (let's call it 63 million - source). Therefore, 31.5% of eligible voters cast their ballots for him. But none of this matters when you look at approval ratings. Your choice goes from this person vs. this person to thoughts on a single person. Approval rating polls are conducted among voters and non-voters, Republicans, Democrats, and others.

What is a fact is that Donald J. Trump has historically low approval ratings for how the transition is being handled (source). Could have something to do with his know-nothing appointments to Housing and Urban Development (1:40-2:00 is a classic gaff, obviously not what he meant, but still), Education (Devoss), and, to a lesser extent, Health and Human Services.

You guys could take the tack of: 'yeah Donald Trump isn't really a Republican or conservative, but he won, so let's be vigilant when he oversteps and make ourselves heard so he shuts down his 3 AM twitter "diplomacy", but overall we need to support the President.' But instead I see a full-throated defense of many of his outrageous statements, actions, contradictions, and tantrums. That, I don't get.

Finally, I've made a couple of thorough responses to several of you in here that have not been replied to. Is MB just a place to make statements and have petty fights? If so, I'll stop attempting actual discourse. Just trying to figure out the how the culture has changed here.

:clap::clap::clap::clap::clap:

Chula Vista 01-19-2017 10:48 AM

One thing I'd like to see changed is how the Senate is comprised. The "Two senators per state regardless of population" thing is just plain dumb.

Wyoming's two senators represent approx. 291 thousand people each.

California's two senators represent approx. 19.17 million people each.

Why should Wyoming have as much power voting on legislation, that will affect the entire country, as California?

That's a 66 to 1 ratio in population yet it's a 1 to 1 ratio in voting power?????

Frownland 01-19-2017 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 1797365)
I understand it with the Senate just not with the presidency

Or rather I disagree with the way it's implemented through the Electoral College

Pretty much this.

Chula Vista 01-19-2017 02:52 PM

You got to be crazy, gotta have a real need
Gotta sleep on your toes, and when you're on the street
You got to be able to pick out the easy meat with your eyes closed
And then moving in silently, down wind and out of sight
You got to strike when the moment is right without thinking.

And after a while, you can work on points for style
Like the club tie, and the firm handshake
A certain look in the eye, and an easy smile

You have to be trusted by the people that you lie to
So that when they turn their backs on you
You'll get the chance to put the knife in.

You gotta keep one eye looking over your shoulder
You know it's going to get harder, and harder, and harder as you get older
Yeah, and in the end you'll pack up, fly down south
Hide your head in the sand
Just another sad old man
All alone and dying of cancer.

And when you lose control, you'll reap the harvest you have sown
And as the fear grows, the bad blood slows and turns to stone
And it's too late to lose the weight you used to need to throw around
So have a good drown, as you go down, all alone
Dragged down by the stone.

Ol’ Qwerty Bastard 01-19-2017 05:59 PM

good song

The Batlord 01-19-2017 06:02 PM

Needs more cowbell.

Neapolitan 01-19-2017 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by riseagainstrocks (Post 1797319)
If Mike Pence was giving these press conferences he would let the question be asked and if was unfair, he would attack it.

If Mike Pence was in the same situation, and the reporter acted in the same way, I highly doubt that he would let that guy jump in front of line (so to speak). If Pence chose another reporter to ask a question, and the guy went off like that, he would not yield to him. Sure he have to quell the raucous before proceeding, but just not in the same manner as Trump.

Chula Vista 01-19-2017 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 1797642)
Mike Pence is scum of the Earth.

Dude is convinced that evolution is a theory and that God should be shoved down every child's throat. **** him.

Anteater 01-19-2017 11:12 PM


Tristan_Geoff 01-19-2017 11:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista (Post 1797677)
Dude is convinced that evolution is a theory and that God should be shoved down every child's throat. **** him.

But um... Chula?











Evolution is a theory :/


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