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Ol’ Qwerty Bastard 12-20-2016 07:28 PM


Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 1785388)
this still isn't true women do get paid slightly less on average and are less likely to get a job than a man even when you control for the variable of men working more hours

Nobody on either side actually doubts this, that's why Republicans continually block Democrats attempts to pass a bill to address it

there's also a difference in average wage by race. it's not as cut and paste as because one person is a woman they make less or because one person is black they make less, there are variables that cause these discrepancies in wage. it's a matter of career choice and decision making once you're into the field, it isn't a matter of women just getting less money in their paycheck than men.


The wage gap is a statistical indicator often used as an index of the status of women's earnings relative to men's. It is also used to compare the earnings of other races and ethnicities to those of white males, a group generally not subject to race- or sex-based discrimination. The wage gap is expressed as a percentage (e.g., in 2013, women earned 78.3% as much as men aged 16 and over) and is calculated by dividing the median annual earnings for women by the median annual earnings for men.

The Equal Pay Act was signed in 1963, making it illegal for employers to pay unequal wages to men and women who hold the same job and do the same work. At the time of the EPA's passage, women earned just 58 cents for every dollar earned by men. By 2013, that rate had increased to 78 cents. Minority women fare the worst. African-American women earn just 64 cents to every dollar earned by white men, and for Hispanic women that figure drops to merely 56 cents per dollar. Asian women are the exception, earning 80 cents for every dollar earned by white men--a sum higher than women of all other races/ethnicities as well as African-American and Hispanic men.

The Institute for Women’s Policy Research looked at a 15-year model and found that women's cumulative earnings show a far greater disparity than annual comparisons. Women’s lower work hours and their years with zero earnings due to family care certainly are factors affecting the report's findings: women workers in their prime earning years earned 62% less than men, or only $0.38 for every dollar men earned. During that 15-year period, the average woman earned only $273,592 while the average man earned $722,693 (in 1999 dollars).

also I'm interested in how you feel this should be fixed. I believe people should be paid on performance and there are times when two people should not be paid the same even if they're in the same position, but that's just me.

elphenor 12-20-2016 08:49 PM

Yes obviously the wage gap is not explained by cut and dry discrimination by the employer it is one of the contributing factors however and actually the easiest to fix

The bill Democrats recently tried to get passed to build on top of the EPA to reduce the portion of the gap that is due to discrimination even further:

An estimated 5-10 percent of the pay gap can be addressed this way

elphenor 12-20-2016 08:55 PM

You'll notice the Democrats have been trying to pass that bill for a good 10 years now

If pay gap had nothing to do with employer discrimination one would think Republicans would not be so universally committed to voting down a bill that would have no effect whatsoever

They know buis. discriminates but they think it's their right to, something liberals including myself fundamentally disagree with

Neapolitan 12-20-2016 09:04 PM


Originally Posted by Qwertyy (Post 1785389)

also I'm interested in how you feel this should be fixed. I believe people should be paid on performance and there are times when two people should not be paid the same even if they're in the same position, but that's just me.

So you believe that bankers should make up fake accounts, cause you know if your judged by "performance" you have to keep up. Making fake accounts is the best way to prove you performing. Gotta meet those expectations of branch managers, or regional managers whoever etc.

elphenor 12-20-2016 11:20 PM

the profit motive is what leads to economic suicide, it basically incentives corruption as Nea's example posted above demonstrates

our whole value system of "hard work" is totally asinine honestly work is not good unless it's in the act of doing good though we are taught to make money is to do good

Ol’ Qwerty Bastard 12-21-2016 05:40 AM

Frownland 12-21-2016 07:27 AM

I've met a commie who always had the strong chronic though. He should try some of their ****.

Goofle 12-21-2016 09:06 AM


Originally Posted by Kiiii (Post 1785365)
Well let's see

Equal pay for women
Same sex marriage
Lower minimum wage
Women can't get help of raped it was in the 1940s. The cabinet is full of rich white businessmen who has no political background.

I'd have sigged this if you were joking.

elphenor 12-21-2016 04:14 PM

He's like partially right

Most states have a higher minimum wage than the federal so if they actually go ahead and lower it which I kind of doubt anyway, it's basically just Georgia that'd be effected

There's a good chance Trump will get to appoint 2 supreme court justices which will be conservatives and could indeed overturn same sex marriage that is a possibility

The women issues will continue as they already exist and Republicans prevent us from fixing them

Goofle 12-21-2016 04:25 PM

Only democrats have good intentions.

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