What Did President Trump Do Now?

Ol’ Qwerty Bastard · 02-24-2017, 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord

Because it's politics. When you start allowing statistics to decide politics is when cherry-picked statistics by whatever party is in power or can best make their case are allowed to pass bull**** laws. You can prove any point with the right statistic, and the right statistic pretty much always exists. I'm not for ideology deciding politics, but something besides numbers is a good counterbalance.

this is true. you can find stats for both sides of the arguement and sometimes you need to look at the bigger picture instead of just specific stats.

DwnWthVwls · 02-24-2017, 04:32 PM

Taser disarms you faster.. You can fight through the pain of being shot and fire back.. You can't shoot back when your having involuntary convulsions.. aim is still the biggest factor.

If you suck at aiming your gun it doesn't make you any safer.

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Originally Posted by elphenor

You make guns harder to get they become more expensive your average gang member can't afford one

O jesus.. You can trade guns for drugs dude.. Gang members aren't getting legal guns. cmon now.

FRED HALE SR. · 02-24-2017, 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls

Taser disarms you faster.. You can fight through the pain of being shot and fire back.. You can't shoot back when your having involuntary convulsions.. aim is still the biggest factor.

If you suck at aiming your gun it doesn't make you any safer.

I disagree a bullet travels faster and from a much further distance. If we need a demonstration i'm willing to fly out. Joking I'm through guys, you've won me over, i'm turning in my guns and buying a butter knife.

**Frownland** · 02-24-2017, 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by FRED HALE SR.

Bringing a taser to a gun fight. Solution.

You can walk away with a bullet in your stomach. You get tazed and you're down and it's nearly impossible to react once hit. I think I just solved the gun debate for all of America.

FRED HALE SR. · 02-24-2017, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland

You can walk away with a bullet in your stomach. You get tazed and you're down and it's nearly impossible to react once hit. I think I just solved the gun debate for all of America.

Yeah nobodies ever thought of that except the guy that tried to taser a guy from more then ten feet and got shot right between the eyes. Your sending the lambs to the slaughter Christoffe, holster your tasers dawgs.

FRED HALE SR. · 02-24-2017, 04:39 PM

I wanna say I appreciate the banter dudes. I think everyones opinion is important and respect all of your opinions. I clearly am in the minority, but i'll continue to be an advocate for what I believe in. Have a good weekend all.

**Frownland** · 02-24-2017, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by FRED HALE SR.

Yeah nobodies ever thought of that except the guy that tried to taser a guy from more then ten feet and got shot right between the eyes. Your sending the lambs to the slaughter Christoffe, holster your tasers dawgs.

Dude shouldn't've ****ed with a world class sniper like that. If it's for home defense it's not that likely that you'll need more than 10 feet anyway.

DwnWthVwls · 02-24-2017, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by FRED HALE SR.

I disagree a bullet travels faster and from a much further distance. If we need a demonstration i'm willing to fly out. Joking I'm through guys, you've won me over, i'm turning in my guns and buying a butter knife.

Speed is irrelevant as long as it's faster than your target can react, in which case both guns and tasers meet the requirement. I was arguing from a home safety stance, I could get behind your argument in a street gun fight or something, but for anything close range I really don't see it. I guess one argument is that a gun gives you multiple shots vs a taser with one chance, but I don't want to argue for your side, come up with these ideas yourself.

Later Fred

The Batlord · 02-24-2017, 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls

Taser disarms you faster.. You can fight through the pain of being shot and fire back.. You can't shoot back when your having involuntary convulsions.. aim is still the biggest factor.

If you suck at aiming your gun it doesn't make you any safer.

O jesus.. You can trade guns for drugs dude.. Gang members aren't getting legal guns. cmon now.

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Originally Posted by Frownland

You can walk away with a bullet in your stomach. You get tazed and you're down and it's nearly impossible to react once hit. I think I just solved the gun debate for all of America.

These are stupid arguments. Unless you kinda just get grazed in the leg (which probably wouldn't accomplish anything with a taser either) then you're probably out of the fight. We're not talking about Navy SEALs, who probably would be out of the fight with a gutshot anyway, we're talking about people who are functionally civilians, and would get taken down with a bullet pretty much any place in their body. We are also not talking about demons who will go through any amount of pain just to kill you, we're talking about people who just want your TV or whatever, and aren't looking for a fight to the death.

And even just talking about what is more effective doesn't make tasers equally effective. Have you seen Cops? Plenty of times I've seen someone who was big as **** and/or on PCP who didn't go down from a taser. They might not be in the best shape to continue ****ing with you, but you are still not safe. And if one shot from a taser doesn't bring someone down, then you can't just fire the taser against cause it only has one shot, unlike a gun.

DwnWthVwls · 02-24-2017, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord

we're talking about people who just want your TV or whatever, and aren't looking for a fight to the death.

If this is the case than you really don't need a gun for protection to begin with.. or do you think it's okay to shoot someone robbing your house? I'm sure a lot of people actually do.

02-24-2017, 04:39 PM	#2686 (permalink)
FRED HALE SR. Neo-Maxi-Zoom-Dweebie Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: So-Cal Posts: 3,752	I wanna say I appreciate the banter dudes. I think everyones opinion is important and respect all of your opinions. I clearly am in the minority, but i'll continue to be an advocate for what I believe in. Have a good weekend all. __________________ " I slashed and burned thru my 15 minutes of fame."