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Oriphiel 02-03-2017 04:19 AM

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Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls (Post 1802447)
Please explain... are we immortal or something? I don't understand how you take consequences out of this equation. I mean even with immortality there is always a result of action. We would have to be reduced to the point of non sentience and even then there are consequences, we just wouldn't recognize them.

No duh. On a molecular level, of course every action has a reaction. But this thread is about a specific type of reaction or lack thereof on the social level; no consequences, as in the lack of immediate external punishment imparted by one's peers, which is what Trollheart was referring to. I was just pointing out that his scenario didn't reflect that, since in his scenario there would still be immediate external punishment. However, if you're convinced though that no scenario exists in which people can act without immediate punishment from the people around them, then the point is moot. Since in your mind there is no such scenario, and this thread was created to discuss a scenario that you don't believe exists, then it sounds like you have more of an issue with Trollheart's original prompt than with me. That being so, there is nothing left for us to talk about, and you can feel free to leave this thread to go ponder something else. For example, why New Jersey sucks so much.

DwnWthVwls 02-03-2017 05:06 AM

You sassy muthafucka. :love:

Oriphiel 02-03-2017 06:31 AM

I always keep a passive aggresive wall of text handy, just for you. :finger:

Trollheart 02-03-2017 08:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Tristan Geoff (Post 1802392)
Fucking if someone votes for rape I will personally slit your goddamn throat.

Someone already did.
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Originally Posted by OccultHawk (Post 1802399)
I'd also steal like a mother****er. I'd take every cent from every rich person on the planet. And rape? ****, people I hate I'd rape them, torture them, kill them and their ****ing families. I hate people I hate.

You're one seriously ****ed up individual.
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Originally Posted by Chula Vista (Post 1802400)
I have a gun and a bunch of ammo. I have about a month's worth of food for three people. I have enough water to last the same amount of time. Also, tons of paper products. My two dogs weigh 150 pounds combined. If hell breaks loose I'm good until stability returns, I hope.

That being said, there's a few people I'd love to remove from the planet.

Nah, you're not getting it. I'm not talking about a lawless society where everyone can do what they want. Hmm. Okay, look at it this way. YOU and ONLY you can do what you want. Let's say, for the sake of stupidity, you buy a lamp at a car boot sale. Rub it and out pops a genie. "Yo!" says the genie (he's black of course, and listens to hip-hop) ;) "We got a special goin' this century, mothafukka! Yo can break ANY and ALL laws y'all want and you will NEVER and I mean NEVER have to pay in any way. Just yo, not yo friends, not yo family. Yo (ah **** this) You can do whatever you like. You wanna break the law, go ahead!"

So, like I said, there are no zombies, gangs, breakdown of society but you can break laws and commit crimes with no fear of consequences. Hell, maybe you're invisible, I don't know: it's theoretical so the actual circumstances that bring it about don't matter. What does matter is how you respond when the fear of being caught is removed. Do you go crazy, breaking all laws you can? Break a few? Break none?

Chula Vista 02-03-2017 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Trollheart (Post 1802477)
So, like I said, there are no zombies, gangs, breakdown of society but you can break laws and commit crimes with no fear of consequences. Hell, maybe you're invisible, I don't know: it's theoretical so the actual circumstances that bring it about don't matter. What does matter is how you respond when the fear of being caught is removed. Do you go crazy, breaking all laws you can? Break a few? Break none?

I'd track down and kill all of the people who conspired to destroy my company and a bunch of people's lives in the process. Then I'd take down a couple of lawyers who've been dragging our lawsuit out for well over two years now. Then I'd kidnap and hold hostage the kids of the head of the finance department for Megacorp until they cut me a check for $25 million dollars to make up for my company's losses.

That felt good! Thanks Troll!

grindy 02-04-2017 02:06 AM

I'd do nothing that would directly negatively impact someone. I might rob a bank or something, but only if it didn't involve threatening anyone.

Isbjørn 02-04-2017 03:00 AM

I'd seize the means of production

Cuthbert 02-04-2017 04:01 AM

I can't say I wouldn't steal. I've been on the end of burglaries and theft so I know how that feels, I couldn't do it to an individual stranger but it's too tempting to rule out other forms of thieving.

The Batlord 02-04-2017 06:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Man like Monkey (Post 1802836)
I can't say I wouldn't steal. I've been on the end of burglaries and theft so I know how that feels, I couldn't do it to an individual stranger but it's too tempting to rule out other forms of thieving.

Butt thieving?

Trollheart 02-04-2017 09:13 AM

Arse-on?
Grand LARSEny?


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