Political Discussions for "Adults"

~~jwb~~ · 03-22-2020, 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

someone else holding a gun to your head is a bit different than you pulling the trigger y'self nah?

Not in terms of the damage the bullet will do.

I'm not saying it doesn't matter at all, but it doesn't remove the threat at all.

**Frownland** · 03-22-2020, 09:37 AM

It moves slowly enough to make attempts feel futile and we're more than likely past the point of no return, but us being behind it actually makes it a little less threatening since we have some semblance of control over it.

OccultHawk · 03-22-2020, 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Anteater

The biggest wildfire in human history was way back in 1910, long before the onset of what climate scientists have been talking about. How do you explain that?

The problem with conversations about climate is that, irregardless of what the scientists say right now, there is hard evidence that the planet has gone through warm cycles in the past that make what we are seeing today look like nothing. And human activity wasn't a factor at all in those previous periods, but we still saw Ice Ages and periods where CO2 was in high abundance anyway.

Damn dude. You’re crazier than me.

OccultHawk · 03-22-2020, 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

it's worth considering that scientists predict more diseases and possible pandemics resulting from climate change

It extends the breeding periods for many vectors.

The Batlord · 03-22-2020, 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Anteater

The biggest wildfire in human history was way back in 1910, long before the onset of what climate scientists have been talking about. How do you explain that?

The problem with conversations about climate is that, irregardless of what the scientists say right now, there is hard evidence that the planet has gone through warm cycles in the past that make what we are seeing today look like nothing. And human activity wasn't a factor at all in those previous periods, but we still saw Ice Ages and periods where CO2 was in high abundance anyway.

See? Humans are too stupid and useless for socialism. I mean "irregardless" is not a word.

Anteater · 03-22-2020, 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Frownland

This is actually the reason why we know that human activity is a direct factor in this change. Those past periods had clear causes whether it was solar activity, volcanic activity, the dinosaur apocalypse event, Milankovitch cycles, atmospheric changes from algae, etc. The Earth has had its climate change many times, but always with reason, and we are the reason for the current climate change that we're witnessing. Unless you have evidence showing that something else is the cause?

Keep a few grains of salt on hand when you hear these very well refuted climate change denialist arguments that you're parrotting.

We still don't know what caused those massive CO2 spikes during the Eocene actually, which is why it's interesting. Solve that mystery and you've have a better model.

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Originally Posted by The Batlord

See? Humans are too stupid and useless for socialism. I mean "irregardless" is not a word.

The Batlord · 03-22-2020, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Anteater

which is why it's interesting

Whenever I see Ant post that something is interesting I imagine him waving his dick at the computer screen.

**Frownland** · 03-22-2020, 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Anteater

We still don't know what caused those massive CO2 spikes during the Eocene actually, which is why it's interesting. Solve that mystery and you've have a better model.

That's a stupid and clearly motivated reason to reject (sorry, "take with a grain of salt") what the scientific community has to say on the subject, but here:

What triggered the Paleocene/Eocene thermal maximum methane release?

Very large release of mostly volcanic carbon during the Paleocene-Eocene Thermal Maximum

You can borrow my saltshaker when you're browsing Federalist and National Review articles for a rebuttal if you want.

Anteater · 03-22-2020, 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland

That's a stupid and clearly motivated reason to reject (sorry, "take with a grain of salt") what the scientific community has to say on the subject, but here:

What triggered the Paleocene/Eocene thermal maximum methane release?

Very large release of mostly volcanic carbon during the Paleocene-Eocene Thermal Maximum

You can borrow my saltshaker when you're browsing Federalist and National Review articles for a rebuttal if you want.

Well according to studies as of last year-

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What caused the spike in CO2 during this period is not known, though scientists believe there could have been an increase in volcanic activity.

...which again, supports what I've said before. You'd get a better model if you had a concrete answer. I don't care what scientists "believe" on the outset. They don't actually know, and in that 2nd article you linked to they consistently speak of just how much uncertainty there is. For all we know it was some previous civilization flying around in gas powered vehicles en-masse.

Newsweek - A World of Searing Heat and Melted Ice Caps: Climate Model of Early Eocene is 'Scary Finding' for Earth's Future

**Frownland** · 03-22-2020, 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Anteater

Stupid science bitches don't know ****!

I'll take false dilemmas for $200, Alex. Also -10 points for using a journalistic source and not a scientific one.

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