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Frownland 05-31-2018 09:49 AM
Do you think that attracting people to the alt-right wipes diminishes that justification?

Frownland 05-31-2018 09:54 AM
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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 1956299)
I'm not going to say I don't sympathize with the use of violence against literal neo-nazis
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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1956296)
Do you think that attracting people to the alt-right wipes diminishes that justification?
Or sense of sympathy?

The Batlord 05-31-2018 09:56 AM
Violence against the alt-right is idiotic and only results in making the attacker feel good about themselves for being a thug who gets to brag about what a macho **** they are. But Spencer getting a flying punch to the head is funny regardless.

Frownland 05-31-2018 09:59 AM
Humour and ethics are two different discussions. I think we can all agree that it's a hilarious video.

Frownland 05-31-2018 10:11 AM
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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 1956305)
I put the political implications in a different box from that call
That's fair.

The Batlord 05-31-2018 10:12 AM
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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 1956305)
I wouldn't do it, but nah I'm not of the opinion that it's inherently wrong

I put the political implications in a different box from that call
Why isn't it wrong? Does it advance dialogue? Does it make them see the error of their ways? Does it not stiffen their resolve? Does it not communicate to them that you are not on a higher moral level than them? You talk about MLK but ultimately ignore what is both a morally superior ideology and a pragmatic method of shaming the other side into silence at the very least and possibly even changing their view point.

Frownland 05-31-2018 10:14 AM
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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 1956307)
their speech is a call to violence

it's only funny because they don't have much political capitol
"Wow you guys really hate this guy. He just got himself a new fan!"

MicShazam 05-31-2018 10:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Oriphiel (Post 1956182)
So, how much verbal abuse do you all think someone should take before resorting to violence? Is it ever alright, or at least reasonable, to hit someone who hasn't posed a physical threat to you?

Like, what would someone have to say to get you to lose it?
Strictly speaking, it would never be ok to respond with violence.

Frownland 05-31-2018 10:27 AM
Do you think that increasing the amount of support behind Spencer will make it more or less likely that Nazis are going to have the power to put the gun to your back?

Frownland 05-31-2018 10:32 AM
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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 1956323)
again that's a different call as far as I see it

whether the violence is effective is different from whether you can morally justify it
That's not what I asked.


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