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Old 05-29-2021, 08:13 PM   #4081 (permalink)
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I still think you're being cynical/contrarian, but if not, you must think the US is completely incompetent.

US introduces virus to China to destabilize the country.

Chinese deaths: ~4,000
US deaths: ~ 600,000
It's possible for americans to be dumb dumbs yes. *gestures at forum* Their propaganda machine allows them some room for sloppiness though.

If you trust China's statistics, you have a solid gotcha there.
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Old 05-29-2021, 08:25 PM   #4082 (permalink)
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It's possible for americans to be dumb dumbs yes. *gestures at forum* Their propaganda machine allows them some room for sloppiness though.

If you trust China's statistics, you have a solid gotcha there.
Good point. I don't trust China's statistics, I definitely think they've fudged the numbers. But I don't think they could fudge the numbers so greatly that it makes a difference to the point (I believe US intelligence would be able to tell at some point that they'd fudged the numbers beyond reason, and I don't trust US intelligence for much *cough* WMDs *cough* incubator babies *cough* Gulf of Tonkin). We could assume they've had ten times the amount of deaths (and they very well may have) and the point still stands. Personally, I think more Americans died than Chinese because we have more unhealthy and obese people than China does.

But yeah, propaganda is hard at work in both countries. They did it! Nuh-uh, you did it first!

It's tiring, and like I said, I don't think we'll ever know for sure.

If the CCP actually believed that the US introduced a virus to them for the sole purpose of destabilization, and many more have died than what they claim, don't you think their response is not proportional to the claim? And if they believed the US introduced a virus to them, wouldn't they inflate the numbers of deaths rather than deflating them?

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Old 05-29-2021, 08:50 PM   #4083 (permalink)
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We could assume they've had ten times the amount of deaths (and they very well may have) and the point still stands.
Nah, citizen deaths only matter to the u.s. once it becomes bad pr that they can't rally around. Justifying government expansion, inspiring further anti-Chinese sentiments, and an external factor to use as a scapegoat for the imminent economic downturn could have played a role in planning the bioterrorist attack on top of the classic destabilization move.

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If the CCP actually believed that the US introduced a virus to them for the sole purpose of destabilization, and many more have died than what they claim, don't you think their response is not proportional to the claim?
Nah, their extreme response tells me that they saw some pretty drastic breakouts.

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And if they believed the US introduced a virus to them, wouldn't they inflate the numbers of deaths rather than deflating them?
"Hey world, rising global influence here, just wanted to let you know that we were pretty easily destabilized by another country and this is how."
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Old 06-04-2021, 03:42 PM   #4084 (permalink)
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Does "introduced the virus" mean "used it like a weapon against" in the context of the conversation?

Wanna be clear before I reply further.
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Old 06-11-2021, 12:35 AM   #4085 (permalink)
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I believe it happened with the labs doing their testing..happened before and will happen again. They try to solve a problem like this time seems was the bats carrying around these virus's which they have been for yonks and end up being the spreaders of it....My Son had the virus before Xmas and ok he is not so ill and he was never hospitalized, but just not fit enough to return to work....just another stat though and just another figure that dont count.
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