Slack Lives Matter.

You work you die.

Occult For Prez

Did I say “we”. I meant “me”.

I’ve pretty much lost this debate guys. White flag.

TBH the best idea is the judge system.


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2:15 until the showdown. Good luck tonight. And remember, if it doesn't go the way you want, it's only the fate of the Republic.

I've picked up a 12 pack of Corona to help my television screaming, and to support my Mexican brothers.

to me it's more a lesser of evils than an inherent virtue. I don't care about everyone having equal say as an ideal. But the alternative of dictatorship just has more potential to go drastically wrong.

I'm fine with representative democracy as a compromise but I don't see the point in weighting the input of certain states over others. I've yet to hear anyone here offer any compelling reason why the electoral college is actually preferable to the popular vote...Big3 just made a vague appeal to mob rule not being ideal but I don't see how mob rule on the state level is somehow preferable.

Bruh the "everything is equally impossible" angle is very myopic and lazy. You're just inserting a sense of hopelessness to justify not examining how realistic or practical your ideas are. Stop looking for the easy way out, you know better.

4sho

Isn't it just giving the rural mob an edge over the urban mob? No mobs have been taken out of the equation.

No, it's doing two things.

1) giving an edge to smaller states overall
2) making it so that in all but a few states voting is actually pointless to the overall result. Whether you live in rural Wyoming or Los Angeles, your state is pretty much either solid red or solid blue every year so voting is pointless. Only swing states have any potential to actually change the election results.

Also, what is the rationale behind giving the rural mobs an edge in the first place?

Hitler was elected by one vote. Cast by Bernie Sanders.

I don't necessarily disagree with you in general I just care less about the ideal than the pragmatic results. I wasn't aiming the electoral college part at you btw.

I do think it's questionable calling elections in authoritarian states elections tbh

It's like calling show trials actual trials. Elections aren't just the performative act of voting but the functional act of actually selecting leadership through said votes. The game way trials are the functional act of allowing a process of examining evidence to try to determine guilt, rather than the performative act of trying people where the evidence is irrelevant and the verdict is pre determined.

So with that said, while the US is more democratic than say China, its elections are rendered less legitimate to the extent that voting doesn't matter. Which is obviously most of the country thanks to the EC, imo.

Like I said, they'd either adapt or be replaced by another party that could compete. We've seen this sorta shift happen before. I don't buy that there wouldn't still be enough of a gap in popular opinion to warrant two parties if the EC was scrapped and we went with the popular vote. The difference in terms of culture and politics exists to a large extent even within states, not to mention on a national level.

Biden was fairly competent and didn't break down during the debates so I guess that counts as a win by Biden standards, even though really I felt Trump was the dominant presence and communicated much more strength than Biden.

Really it felt like Trump spent the entire debate bullying both Biden and Wallace and neither one was ever able to truly exert any dominance over him.

I mean typically a disagreement would lead to a back and forth where both parties get a say in these types of debates... In this case Trump would just force the last word on Biden and Wallace would make a panic stricken attempt to push the conversation onto the next topic.

Dunno if it's gonna really change anything but it was definitely fairly entertaining at least.

Exert dominance over him? What was Biden supposed to do? Piss on him?

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Trump and Biden were both pretty weak, but Trump's weakness ended up propping up Biden by default because the latter was more measured and coherent. I guess they took different drugs before waddling out on stage.

Can someone explain to me why you thought Biden was weak?

Scranton Joe can say anything, but in the end it's all supposition.

Wasn't it about preserving slavery or something?

They should do the next one over live stream and mute the other candidate during the two minutes. tboy seems to explode when he holds back his interruptions and it's nagl.

I see Biden flirting with the fascist "I define the party, only I can fix this" rhetoric in an attempt to sway right wing voters concerned that Biden will bend to the scary radical leftists.

tboy saying that someone has to do something about antifa in response to the question of whether or not he denounces right wing political violence was predictable but still wild. His comments at the end about poll watchers were a call to action. It's clear that we need to mobilize to watch the newly self-proclaimed poll watchers.

He said exactly what I was thinking there but pro tip: don't give your opponent tips. Should've just let him jabberdig himself into gibberish the whole time so that nothing was even said. Though I guess that would display an absence of leadership in the eyes of that demographic, so maybe it was a solid strategy.

I lol'd a bit at Chris Wallace bringing up Ft. Worth as though it were some kind of hot spot for BLM riots. There were like 19 incidents overall in the second quarter of last year and 21 this year in the same timeframe, both less than 2018.

Funniest part of the evening was when Trump said that racial sensitivity training was racist (we nearly fell off the couch laughing at that one). :rolleyes:

like frown said I too was thinking they got to just mute whoever when it’s not their turn. Stick to the time and when it’s up no warning just mute.

Trump looked like an annoying school boy you can’t throw out of class and unfortunately Biden, to me, seemed pretty incoherent.

My bias is probably kicking in but in my mind Biden is trying to argue for a right wing government and you can’t out right wing a republican.

Biden did nothing to defend the left.

On health care I actually thought Trump won because the ACA really does suck. Of course Trump doesn’t have a plan but the ACA isn’t a plan worth defending. If it’s not a case for change why change?

Biden sucked on the environment because he doesn’t support anything there either. Go back six years? WTF ever. Again Trump is worse but if not giving a **** is your thing Trump is your man.

Then man oh man, on not honoring the election, so what are we gonna do about it Joe? VOTE VOTE VOTE. Bitch if he’s not going to honor the results that’s a non-action. Trump was like calling his Nazis to arms. Again Trump is worse but Biden offers no alternative.

I think Biden wiped the floor with Trump.

Mostly because he provided the bare minimum of rationality.

Trump had a few good points in hurling as many accusations as he can but his bull**** smothered all of it.

If Trump wasn't going for the racially loaded Law & Order bit he could've pulled Biden's receipts but it contradicted the strawman he was creating.

And Biden really should have used other countries that are already open and hardly affected as proof that Trump's response was terrible.

If Biden's opponent wasn't a literal man child he'd have been walked all over.

Goddamn did Trump look and act like a spoiled child.

Maybe challenge him to a pushup contest.

In all seriousness, I'm not saying there's anything he could've done about it that was really within his skill set or temperament to do. I think if anything the sympathy angle seems to be helping him somewhat where as the bullying is backfiring on Trump.

Especially the part where Biden brought up his dead son and Trump responded by **** talking Hunter again. Really the Hunter stuff should've worked in Trump's favor of he wasn't such a domineering prick about it.

As far as actual content the format didn't allow the arguments to get into much detail or substance so there really wasn't anything to see in that regard. Basically Trump tried to associate Biden with the left and Biden did a good job avoiding that association.

Yes it's almost like the recent crime spike has has nothing to do with who happens to be in power locally and more to do with the pandemic, the massive unemployment and the racial unrest. Obviously most of it happens in "Democrat run cities" since most actual cities are run by Democrats. That was basically Wallace's point imo.

Yep, not remotely Presidential and barely adult.
His constant badgering interuptions broke the rules of the debate and were often worthless imo. Here was one that the press has not picked up on sufficiently:-

(not verbatim)
Biden: Wearing a mask saves thousands of lives. 100, 000 lives, some studies say.
Trump (interrupting): And some people say the opposite.
Biden: No serious person says the opposite.

Eight months into the pandemic, with an audience of millions the President once more undercuts the idea that masks can save lives. He is therefore risking lives, and for what? In hopes of throwing Biden off his game for one prime-time second?
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There are so many stories and techniques of voter suppression, that it's almost worth its own thread ("This is the way democracy ends, not with a bang but a wimper.")

A story out of Texas:-
https://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2020-54380684 Texas Governor Cuts Back on Voting Locations Weeks Before the Election

My bold for classic Republican voter-suppression manouvre: publicise information, then change it.

A lot of queers are rich. If you’re an adult and you’re not being clobbered with workplace oppression you still need compassion if you’re gay or not. Where I live if you’re openly queer you’re likely to be ostracized at work and kept poor. The insanity is that poor people support Trump. Rich Mexicans aren’t being put in concentration camps. Rich black families aren’t having their fathers kidnapped and put in prisons. And rich queers can shield themselves from gay bashing. And by bashing I mean violence, not words. These people know where their bread is buttered.

Yes, it's surprising how people can be so disloyal to their own demographic group. Every time I see a woman waving a "Women for Trump" sign, I wonder about their sense of solidarity, their sisterhood. This propaganda ad leaves out the p***y-grabing tape and much else, but Trump's treatment of women still comes across as pretty vile:-

It's not that surprising that poor people fall for his transparent used car salesman tactics. A lot of poor people are dumb as ****. Dude is literally using the same tactics to get their votes that salesman use to push product. And it works all too well.

That ad would be a lot better with Joe Biden smelling Kamala's hair. "C'mon man...breathe it innnn."

Ok

That ad is very powerful when it comes to tearing down Trump but falls pretty short with the “vote for her” line. Biden hardly personifies female empowerment.

As far as being disloyal to their demographic... a middle class woman might conclude, right or wrong, that Trump is better for her financially. Ain’t nothing more empowering than money. Her IQ could be 70 she’s still going to know that everything, her security, her freedom, her health, her diet, her movement, her access to everything all boils down to wealth. It’s actually stupid, naive, and wrong for her to believe anything else.

Depressing af but totally true. Makes you wanna eat buckshot.

That's actually true in the case of this particular election cycle.

America’s Choice: Diarrhea or Vomit

Democracy

Who can fit more fingers into America's puss, Blumpf or Bidump?

Probably Bernie because he'd have gotten consent first.

Yeh I'm aware

But honestly it doesn't matter. The choice is clear. It's a yes/no vote on fascism and anyone who doesn't see that at this point is either a deluded Trump loyalist or one of those mysteriously stupid undecided-a-month-before-the-****ing-election voters.