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Frownland 06-08-2021 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by TheBig3 (Post 2175828)
Maybe the worst argument I've ever seen you put up. If three wins in a row from the GOP doesn't show you that popularity is more important than functional action or policy, I don't know what to tell you.

Reagan won because he deserved it, not because of masturbatory binary neoliberal discourse promoting him. Got it.

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But it's occurring to me now that you think "history" is included in "horse-race politics." Which is shameful.
If I had a nickel for every time you constructed some Bad Man narrative about me in order to avoid introspection, I'd have...probably two bucks, we don't talk that much.

Chula Vista 06-08-2021 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by TheBig3 (Post 2175815)
and the alleged greatness of radiohead

Finally, someone else gets it! :clap::clap::clap::clap:

Chula Vista 06-08-2021 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 2175830)
Reagan won because he deserved it.

Funny word.
Earned would be better.
Plus, I could have beat Walter Mondale.


Ha! Thought for sure 1984 was the worst blowout ever.

https://i.imgur.com/rfqLjU9.png

Frownland 06-08-2021 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista (Post 2175842)
Funny word.
Earned would be better.
Plus, I could have beat Walter Mondale.

Oh there's no denying horse fast.

TheBig3 06-08-2021 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 2175830)
Reagan won because he deserved it, not because of masturbatory binary neoliberal discourse promoting him. Got it.

What is the argument you're making here? That the voters were wrong? It's a ****ing democracy.

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 2175850)
we just keep on waittting... waittting

for the neolibs to address systemic problems

Maybe if you crack some more jokes your candidate will win. In fact I dare say Bernie lost because you weren't funny enough.

Anteater 06-08-2021 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 2175850)
we just keep on waittting... waittting

for the neolibs to address systemic problems

Austin isn't suddenly gonna get more punk even if Beto wins 2024.

The Batlord 06-08-2021 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by TheBig3 (Post 2175815)
I don't know, there's a healthy history of deception in this country that I'd find it hard to believe the rich had nothing to do with. They're in league with the politicians.

1. Car dominance in the US is because automotive companies paid for crossing guards in small towns across the country to teach children "the road is for cars, not people."
2. The Food Pyramid, which I grew up with, was not based in science but gined up to sell more dairy products iirc
3. The death of the electric vehicle, the overthrow of iranian democracy, the gulf of tonkin, and the alleged greatness of radiohead

We've been lied to forever, and it benefits the wealthy every time.

My support for Biden is largely because I think he's able to speak to the Rightward voters in a way that gets them to see a Unions value. I hope that I'm right. And also he likes trains.

But I don't like Biden's love for Israel, whatever this **** is with Trump and the defamation suit I don't like (though I have yet to sit down with it fully), and I think he's way wrong on student debt. I just think it's a major waste of time to post **** like "omg Biden is such a boomer lmao" and then, when pressed, support some never-candidate.

And don't forget United Fruit, the John Birch Society, the Chicago School, Phyllis Schlafly, the Koch brothers, etc. The vast right wing conspiracy is not paranoia and it does skew public opinion in nonsensical ways that don't even exist in other white countries with fascism problems. Also throw in whichever *******s lobbied to make private healthcare only a thing.

But I don't get how you can call Bernie a "never candidate" (or whatever you said, I'm too lazy to go find that post). Sure he was always a long shot but he did more than any politician in decades to actually pull the Overton window back to the left just a bit for ****ing once. He got cheered by a Fox News audience. People are actually talking about universal healthcare for the first time in... for the first time! And he was always the last one to finally lose to the establishment candidate with all the center left media clout.

If this country ever has a leftward turn again he will probably have been a crucial swing point.

Frownland 06-08-2021 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by TheBig3 (Post 2175877)
What is the argument you're making here? That the voters were wrong? It's a ****ing democracy.

Yes I think it was wrong to vote in Reagan.

The Batlord 06-08-2021 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 2175883)
universal healthcare got talked about in the US when...Hillary Clinton endorsed it in the 90s

I was around then. I don't think it did.

TheBig3 06-09-2021 07:15 AM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 2175881)
And don't forget United Fruit, the John Birch Society, the Chicago School, Phyllis Schlafly, the Koch brothers, etc. The vast right wing conspiracy is not paranoia and it does skew public opinion in nonsensical ways that don't even exist in other white countries with fascism problems. Also throw in whichever *******s lobbied to make private healthcare only a thing.

But I don't get how you can call Bernie a "never candidate" (or whatever you said, I'm too lazy to go find that post). Sure he was always a long shot but he did more than any politician in decades to actually pull the Overton window back to the left just a bit for ****ing once. He got cheered by a Fox News audience. People are actually talking about universal healthcare for the first time in... for the first time! And he was always the last one to finally lose to the establishment candidate with all the center left media clout.

If this country ever has a leftward turn again he will probably have been a crucial swing point.

I agree with most of this. As for my position on Bernie, it's not that straightforward.

I actually like Bernie. I think he gets "the horse race" better than some of the other idiots he was on stage with. As a side note, Pete Buttigieg remarked that when he watched John Edwards in 2004 hem and haw about his favorite movie, he realized Democrats have no spine. I agree with Pete, and I think Bernie is a rare example of a Democrat not doing that (I'll forever love him for his "Birthday cards are bull****" stance).

But Bernie isn't a never candidate because of Bernie, it's his moron followers that continue to **** things up for anyone who might benefit from his policies. This isn't a halfhearted argument. I'm completely serious when I say if Bernie fans really wanted him to win they should have stuck to the talking points (like Republicans do) and left the Rose Twitter nonsense at home.

As politics goes, I don't think Bernie is ruthless enough. I'd like to live in a Frownland utopia, too. But the reality is if you want things enacted, you need to be a son of a bitch like LBJ was. There's a reason he outdid FDR in 4 years. A part of me hopes Biden has a little of that, not because he's a bastard but because he knows the Senate, and saw first hand the ****ing Obama took on certain things. I'm putting a lot of weight on these Infrustraucture negotiations. If he can't pull this off, I might reconsider my position.

Anyway, I hope that clarifies at least what I'm getting at.

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 2175885)
I was around then. I don't think it did.

It didn't. He doesn't know wtf he's talking about. They've been trying for universal healthcare since Truman, and the Pro-China punkboi thinks Hillary Clinton did it. **** off.


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