Yes at 70 we cut their heads off.

Obama. Now that's a guy that could talk. He had charisma. He made drone striking Iranian civilians look good.

Agreed. Even his Nobel Peace Prize agrees.

Biden will be making a campaign stop at Kenosha tomorrow, so stay tuned everyone, and keep your popcorn close, the hilarity is bound to continue.

The debate moderators have been announced.

Moderators announced for presidential debates

Biden really needs to duck out.

If he ducks out, he'll look like a coward.

If he debates, it'll probably not go well at all.

What's his winning play?

To duck out. What’s the saying? It’s better to be silent and have people think you’re a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.

The problem is that Joe Biden has already opened his mouth many times. As a result, they'd have to contrive a very believable reason for Biden not to go to the debates, otherwise - everyone, even fervent Democrats, would know why he's ducking out.

I think he should just keep saying tax returns. Can’t debate without the facts. Actually his campaign manager should say it. Before you say that’s not a good reason since when does that matter?

You all know what to do on election day: write in YorkeDaddy. Start the revolution. Be on the right side of history

I tend to agree with SR. It would be better for Biden not to have a debate but it'll look worse for him if he dodges than if he shows up and flops. He has to do it or else he looks like a bitch automatically.

Tax return

Well, I only really know him as an alternative to Trump, but am pretty much won over by adds like these:-
(Warning: contains 6 mins of CNN pro-Biden worship.)

It’s literally impossible to have economic justice in a capitalist society. It’s also impossible for there to be racial justice without economic justice and vice versa. Spreading the false hope and propaganda that America can be healed while being governed by capitalists is extremely problematic. We have 400 years of evidence that it doesn’t work. Biden is a capitalist.

I'm a bit wary of these kind of absolutes of political theory and take instead a more pragmatic approach: Which politicians are moving in the direction of better social justice, which politicians are making things worse? Which politicians are helping to protect the environment, which are down for greater pollution for quick gain? To me, Biden is a good choice for the coming election, as an achievable improvement while we wait for your apocalyptic downfall of capitalism to arrive, which, by the way, may not produce social justice either.

How could going back to the same **** that got us here possibly be pragmatic?

These college students tend to agree.

Once the middle class white women see Biden humiliated in the debates their suburban pussies are going to dry up and tell them they better vote for Trump for the same reasons they chose to be suburbanites in the first place.

Because we have kinder, gentler capitalists now who put their cars in space rather than hire mercenaries to break strikes.

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I'm afraid, Bestie, that our bromance may soon be over.:(

Pragmatic is about taking the manageable best path forward: perhaps not the shortest or most direct route, but the one that offers the possibility of advancing.
Surely you're not swallowing Trump's eagerly promoted idea that "what got us here" was Obama's presidency? What got us here, covid and street violence, was 4 years of corrupt, incompetent divisive mismanagement from the Trump admin and GOP.

Yes, MB has had a laugh about Biden, who had to overcome a stammering problem. Not MB's finest moment, tbh, but no need to assume so fast that he will be so humiliated in the debates that he will lose his supporters. His rival:

Very quick quotes from just one speech as I have to go, and don't have time to track down Trump's remarks on cofoffe, etc.

Nah man. That’s solid.

The environmental devastation we’ve embarked upon is a compounding set of interwoven problems that do not offer the luxury of time. Biden’s center right politics may be an improvement over Trump’s lunacy but it’s not a change of direction only a change of tempo. When you’re about to crash into a brick wall slowing down from 95 to 60 isn’t pragmatic. And in terms of social justice, it’s clear that Biden will not address hunger, homelessness, and lack of health care. Whether he has the support of black people or not, people of color will continue to suffer under Biden. The wealth disparity will continue to grow under his policies so in fact life for the disenfranchised will continue to get worse. Maybe at a slower clip than under Trump but still it will not stop getting worse. Housing will continue to be bought up and hoarded by the rich under the policies of Biden. That will mean the continuation of rent increases and pricing out the poor so more homelessness while the rich live in mansions. The affordable care act sucks. You can’t build on it because it’s nothing but a corporate power grab. The democrats can gain control of the house and senate and the presidency and we’ll see that at their core they’re all about the rich getting richer and the poor getting ****ed with a broken glass *****. I used the driving into a wall analogy. I’m not excited about the guy with a 22 pointed at me just because the other guy has a 45. 22’s do more damage than people think.

:thumb:

As for this part, I have some reservations:
Nice metaphor about the car into the wall, but what sources do you have for those speeds? If the car is, instead, going at 60 m.p.h and slows to 10 m.p.h., that's a difference between death and slight damage, so voting for the 10 m.p.h option looks like a good choice.

Biden, afaik, is at least talking about touching the brakes on pollution, corruption, racial division. Trump has his foot on the gas.

There's also a lot of flat-out prophecy in your comments: I count 7 sentences with "will". Last time I read that many predictions was in Nostradamos. ;) But what Biden might do is not so certain, especially if characters like Sanders, AOC and Markey are in the mix and BLM keep pushing for change. How can you be so sure when most commentators agree that these are extraordinary times in the US: just today, for instance, the Attorney General told America that he didn't know if it was illegal to vote twice. Who could've seen that coming?

If you can't bring yourself to place any trust in Biden, at least let's not condemn his debate performance and his admin before they have had a chance.

Capitalism will do what it has never stopped doing.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=...&v=crJHg5XazdM

It goes both ways. Obama, during his presidency, constantly blamed the former president, George W. Bush, for the economy. I'm pretty sure B.O. did that even after he was reelected.

When B.O. took office the stock market took a dive, and when Trump took office it had a boom. It's like Wall Street was giving was giving its opinion, its vote of confidence. When Trump elected I was shocked he won, thinking about all the exit polls that had Hillary as a shoe in. Then I heard how much he was hated and a bunch of other stuff. And here Wall Street is behaving like they are confident in the newly elected President Trump, and for some reason there is a positive future. Now it's "was" a positive future - I guess that goes without saying.

JFTR Don't lump me in with the rest of MB. I am not laughing Joe Biden for "stammering" per se. It's the silly nonsense that comes out of his mouth e.g. "I have hairy legs." - Joe Biden.

Another thing about Joseph Robinette Biden Jr is that sometimes he can be lucid, and other times Scranton Joe can be easily derailed from what he was going to say next. It's not so much a "stammering" as in having trouble speaking or finishing ones thought. It's more like Scranton Joe pauses and goes off on an impromptu tangent of gibberish and non-sequiturs. I guess that is why Donald Trump is asking a drug test for both of them before debates?

Trump sounds concerned.
Trump sounds concerned.
Trump sounds concerned.
Trump sounds concerned.

I don't know the context behind these statements, but each those four quotes he sounds concerned, especially about human trafficking. "Human trafficking, one of the worst things ever ... " - Donald J Trump. From other talks he speak about what else happens with that, like young women and children being victims of sex trafficking. Just the fact that Trump would recognize it, took me by surprise. No one really talks about that. Whether Trump stopped it or diminish the problem I am not sure.

How what Trump says is portrayed in the media or how it is reinterpreted, I'm not really sure, but I haven't written him off as someone who doesn't care.

I need that Trump v Biden debate pronto. I can smell the memes coming, just like how the shark can smell blood from a mere drop in an ocean of water. The wave is coming...and it's time to ride.

I always found a striking similarity between the way you present yourself on the boards with your lack of punctuation and stream of conscience thought with run on sentences and strings of sentence fragments and I don't know where one thought ends and another begins and idk if it is culturally appropriated from 4chan but it's your thang and there aint nothing ever going to convince you to change otherwise and Donald J Trump.

I don't bother with /pol/ so maybe it's a Jungian Synchronicity.

My friend frequently visit 4chan. He told me even though it is suppose to be anonymous posting however someone made a direct reference to where he lived. His advice to stay away from it cause it's fill with hackers.

Politics is PhKDickian to me. It's like the time the Precogs in media accused Trump during the night of the debate of not accepting Hillary as president, when for three years they (the media) haven't accepted him as president because it's illegitimate due to "Russian Collusion." What a plot twist, just like Minority Report.

Some of the stuff that happens in the media, I'm not sure I would go as far as saying it's "Orwellian," but there things that happen that tempt me to say it is "Orwellian." Plus I gotta refrain from saying "Orwellian" on MB cause saying it's "Orwellian" so it's so controversial. Sometimes I feel I don't even want to say the word even though it is one of my favorites to call things. "Orwellian." :)

I think next best comparison - if it is permissible - is to say "HGWellian" or "Wellian" for short. The way society is divided in two, it's almost analogous of the division between the humans in the future i.e. the Morlocks and the Eloi. The way things are going I would definitely say it is "Wellian." Does Time Machine contain some social commentary or it is strictly fantasy? I'm not sure. I think the best way to exam society is to avoid obvious political terms and exam it in a sci-fi setting. The way the media and politicians act, I think they want division. I think it's the best thing is to strive to be practical and apolitical. One of the ways of achieving that is to take a step back and take everything said in the media with a grain of salt. Otherwise you'll end up being impractical and totally polarized in politics.

Yes, Neapolitan, politicians will always blame the previous admin for their own woes, and I'm sure that in some cases there is some justification, especially in the first year or so of a term because changes don't take effect overnight. There's also often a wobble in the stock market when there is a change of leader, but I don't think that it lurched around as much as you suggest. In fact the economy from Obama to Trump has been pretty steady, if these 3 graphs are any indication: stocks, job growth, GDP:-



If Trump has a weak case for blaming Obama for present economic problems, he has a non-existent one for blaming Obama for his own mishandling of the pandemic. In 2018, Trump gutted what he inherited from Obama, a team of professionals working in a Directorate of Global Health Security and Biodefense, exactly the people capable of flagging up and preparing for the coronavirus:-

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020...demic-response

...which makes this obviously unfair blaming even less fair:-

I have no answer for that, Neapolitan! :laughing:

Maybe, but instead of being clearly focused and leading to solutions, his concern is like this:-
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/i...ZUNjg&usqp=CAU

What is Trump's problem with windows and air conditioning? What are his solutions to these pressing issues?

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Trump spews nonsense yes but Biden just has this delivery where he sounds like his brain is melting mid sentence. You can hear the confidence fade from his voice as the facade of a polished politician vanishes and all you're left with is a sad doddering old man.

But beyond his apparent dementia, this is by far the funniest gaffe I've ever seen possibly from any politician:

That was a great one. That would definitely be my top 5 of the current election cycle. I think this would be my number one - fixing slavery with a record player and suggesting African Americans don't know how to parent their children:



Joe gets a lot of flak, now that he's the nominee - but the other candidates had plenty of gaffes/cringe-inducing moments.

Amy Klobuchar doesn't know the name of the Mexican president:



Pete Buttigieg's campaign dance (AKA the reason why he didn't have any Black support):



Tom Steyer joins Juvenile for a presidential rendition of 'Back that Ass Up':



Amy Klobuchar finds a joke so funny, that she decides it needs to be told at every campaign stop and rally:



Some of these really put Biden's bad moments in perspective.

Klonuchar's blizzard schtick is cringe but still none of that quite makes me laugh like "keep punching at it"

What's with the partisan bias in posting speakers' blunders? Beyond the Dems' Bloopers there are GOP Bloopers, and beyond both are the actual important issues at stake in the election.

Wow! One mis-judged metaphor while making the clear and commendable point:

Don’t underestimate the power of a good PUNCHline.

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