Originally Posted by wolverinewolfweiselpigeon (Post 1290013)

This was my thought exactly. Urban's an asshole but he's an asshole of the best variety - that doesn't mean that he doesn't take some getting used to and that doesn't mean that everyone should have to get used to him. I find it continuously amusing how people feel the need to defend his honor, a behavior I don't see replicated as feverishly in regards to other members.

I'm reminded here of my coworker Susanne. She's an old crotchety German woman with a feeling of entitlement because she's worked at our shop for ages. She is intelligent and witty and I enjoy being around her most of the time - as a person she has a lot to offer and is wholly interesting. She is hilariously rude to new employees and annoyingly rude to her superiors (myself included), but she gets away with it because "oh, that's just Susanne, you have to get used to her." She's good at what she does and the shop wouldn't be the same without her, but that doesn't change the fact that sometimes she's a fucking bitch.

Susanne is to my shop as Urban is to MB. He contributes to the forum immensely. It doesn't make him any less of a cunt.

Originally Posted by Vanilla (Post 1290016)

No, it's somewhere in this thread but I can't seem to find it. Burning Down was one of the defenders.

Originally Posted by Tuna (Post 1290015)

But this is the spill your guts thread... Of course feelings and personality are going to take center stage. I don't think anyone was suggesting he doesn't contribute. At most maybe the guy was hoping he'd get reassurance that it's normal Urban behavior and he shouldn't put much stock into it. At worst he thought his post would get Urban to see the light and change his ways. And we both know Urban doesn't need a defense as deep as the Pittsburgh Steelers to keep doing what he does


As far as the topic goes, I don't see how people finding Urban rude and abrasive is any less valid than your considering Burning Down to be boring or generic, I forget which. Beyond that I agree with everything else you said

Originally Posted by Freebase Dali (Post 1290020)

I love you, but you are ridiculously off axis with your assumption that everyone "defending" urban is actually defending him rather than defending the idea that expression should never be tailored to placate.

It doesn't matter if it's Urban, or JackPat (yea, I went there), or Hermoine, or Doctor Soft. An expression of opinion that supports theirs doesn't always have to mean you're just being a fan boy. It doesn't always mean you're being unreasonable and full of bias. Why people automatically gravitate to that assumption is beyond me, but I would be comfortable in the assumption that the causality behind such a phenomenon is cultural stupidity bleeding into interaction.

Either way, I dare any one of you to prove my intentions. Have fun. And when you realize that it's all just a bunch of assumptions, then you'll understand the value of evidence and why you have been disregarding it for the sake of your own perspectives.

Originally Posted by wolverinewolfweiselpigeon (Post 1290024)

I understand that, but my assumptions are mostly based on a trend in behaviors. The first posts after JackPat's initial post were in defense of Urban, I don't think it was until my comment that the defense of opinion in general was part of the conversation. I think it's funny. A few months ago Ki started a ****storm for saying something about Urban and the moment I saw JackPat's post I guessed exactly what was to follow. I'm not calling anyone a fanboy, people are just amusingly fucking predictable.

I have no desire to prove or disprove your intentions, I was just making some observations (WHICH i HAVE THE RIGHT TO DO YOU COCK). There's no resolution to come from this, can we all just laugh now?

Originally Posted by Freebase Dali (Post 1290027)

I just want to marry you, so whatever you said up there... pshh... wasted effort.

Originally Posted by Freebase Dali (Post 1290023)

I respect your reply greatly, and I agree with it to an extent. Thanks for it. It's thoughtful, careful, and explains your position. Thanks.

I just want to take issue with the "changing his ways" part first. Please explain to me how a single member should hold the authority to change the entire posting personality of another member, based on his own reaction to such a thing.

Secondly, are we simply posting opinions, or are we posting expectations of change? I can think BD is boring and generic all day, but I'm not going to expect her to become dynamic and interesting. I posted an opinion. It's out of my hands after that point. I hold no expectations, nor do I hold her to them.

I'm just saying that personalities are personalities. We can love them or hate them. And in this thread, we are given free reign to do both. And everyone is encouraged to disagree. And everyone is encouraged to agree. The moment you stamp on that ability is the moment you're in trouble.

Originally Posted by Freebase Dali (Post 1290023)

I respect your reply greatly, and I agree with it to an extent. Thanks for it. It's thoughtful, careful, and explains your position. Thanks.

I just want to take issue with the "changing his ways" part first. Please explain to me how a single member should hold the authority to change the entire posting personality of another member, based on his own reaction to such a thing.

Secondly, are we simply posting opinions, or are we posting expectations of change? I can think BD is boring and generic all day, but I'm not going to expect her to become dynamic and interesting. I posted an opinion. It's out of my hands after that point. I hold no expectations, nor do I hold her to them.

I'm just saying that personalities are personalities. We can love them or hate them. And in this thread, we are given free reign to do both. And everyone is encouraged to disagree. And everyone is encouraged to agree. The moment you stamp on that ability is the moment you're in trouble.