i know, i agree it stupid. but thats society for you.

its the same here. indie is not only a lifestyle...but a genre of music, and one that is pretty distinct in sound. i agree that genre's are a waste of time, but without genres....where would we get our social cliques?

Define it then.

very lightly distorted guitars, up-beat rythyms, quite conservative vocals..

the people i was referring to in my first post would consider "hot hot heat" to be an indie band. but honestly, dont take this as my own views here....im just telling you what ive seen.

may i? indie is a genre of music generally played by average to low talented musicians, the music itself is rarely interesting and most of the time quite boring. the reason is because the bands playing it are not very good for the most part. it's a genre because averagely talented musicians play average music and that's the common denominator to the majority of indie bands and music, the style of music is very similar ( =boring ), from the arcade fire ( oddly a very good band ) through the pavement, B&S, broken social scene, echo and the bunnymen, xiu xiu, mogwai , neutral milk hotel, tv on the radio and many others....there are of course subgenres ( as in any genre ) such as indie-pop, indie-rock, indie-electro,and even though their sound may vary, it's still mostly average and boring.......thus the equasion has been proven.


disclaimer: this is of course all b.s. with the sole purpose of pissing off expletivedeleted

Hot Hot Heat were an indie band up until they released Elevator.

So you acknowledge that Indie is infact considerd a musical genre Expletive Deleted? as you stated that Indie is not a Musical Genre but in your latter post you state: "Hot Hot Heat were an indie band up until they released Elevator."

Is not not contradictory or were you refering to something else by the term Indie?

Genres exist as a conditional sound that certian bands/musicians fall into the habbit of aspiring to like many other things in society perhaps for a sense of belonging, or perhaps through an ambiguity of music in genral there are various reasons genres exist but they are not nessicary as all they do is act as a way to condition music and music is natrualy free.

and adidasss im not fond of Indie myself but a statement such as "the music itself is rarely interesting and most of the time quite boring." is a miscalculation as a global statement as music cannot be judged based on Musical Talent which could arguably be a an objective critics analysis, one can determine whether they consider it to be boring/good/bad ect but one cannot make a global statement based on it atleast not an accurate one as it is a Subjective oppinion and the only Objective way to view it would be based on Musical Talent which does not determine how good a band is...in that same respect it is impossible to make an acurate objective judegment on music...all music is equal as structured and none structured noise, whether you like it or not is Subjective.

But as ive stated in a diffrent thread one could conclude how well a band meets the criteria of a paticular genre but this would be conditioning the music and hence why Genres serve little benefit except a way for us to recognise a certain sound but pro's weiged against the cons...we could do without genres, that way we would all be more musicaly open and music could not be conditioned.

But if that post was B.S as you stated in the difficult to read but still there disclaimer which i didnt read until after i ahd posted this...then i suspect you already knew what i just posted XP

i don't really think indie is a genre, it just seems to cover a range of music that is too wide.....i'm not really sure how to categorize bands like broken social scene, xiu xiu, B&S, neutral milk hotel but it strikes me that they make fairly similar music. but you can't exactly put bands like Clor, The faint and Aqueduct in the same boat as them even though they're on independant labels.

No. I said Hot Hot Heat were an indie band because they were signed to an independent label, making them an indie band. But being a band on an independent label, and thus being referred to as "indie," has NOTHING to do wth indie as a genre.

Indie isn't a genre, it means about as much as being "underground."

like its already been said i think Hip hop/Rap/R&B are all run offs of each other.. and also the most popular types of music. i can't pick one out of the three, because well there all so much alike to me.. but i think three when put together make the most popular..

i wish and would much rather prefer rock to be the most popualr music.. but like its already been said it won't happen no now not ever.. so i'm happy with pop punk coming in second in my eyes..

if not hip hop being the most popular.. i say pop punk.. and bubblegum pop is running behind