yet anotehr queston how many bands put out good, bah not worth asking the self-righteous consumers ahte us downlaoders anyway..
anyawy this is WAY off topic.. and Limewire = suxorz

Haha, okay even if you hate the track, you have to like it because it had effort put into it? Thats pretty shitty logic.

Are you just ignoring the fact completely? Let's do it this way. Wait for Sound Devastation to get on, and let's get his input. He owns a label, and has sided with me on the past about how it is vital to maintain the label's intrest in you.
As many intelligent people as I've met on this site, I'm somewhat shocked that not many of them are seeing our point. So Dustin, looks like it's just us for the moment. But I'm sure someone who actually owns a label is going to know more than any of us....let's wait for some professional opinions.

where did I say that you have to like it? no, I said you have to respect it. you're a musician right? well, I've personally never heard any of your music. but that's like saying "oh, your music sucks turkey balls." and leaving it at that. no dude, even if I didnt like it, I would still respect the effort that you put into it.

Cause as a musician whos playing shows selling his stuff my opinion means nothing right? I'm tired of cd buyers stupid eltist thoughts of "of were better cause we purchase our music, and you're so horrible because you download".

I need the very little money I have to pay for college and buy the occasional thing for my girlfriend, I don't make enough money to purchase albums. I'm sorry i'm not some rich suburban kid whos parents can buy everything for him, or some 30 year old with a high paying job. I can't afford to buy CDs, but i'm not going to make myself suffer by only listening to the albums I have just so I can look like some moralistic saint.

I have no problem with people downloading my music, infact I encourage it because I can barely get any exposure here aside from my town. People who listen to my stuff from like, england & alanta would have no other way to listen to it all if I didn't upload it.

I don't make music to make money, though I do enjoy getting money for it, but I make music because I find it fun and enjoy people hearing what I do and what do you do for your music scene? Oh, bitch about downloading on musicbanter.

Last time I checked Ethan, you aren't exactly mainstream. You aren't doing it for a living. You're 15 years old. There is no need to be arrogant by completely ignoring my point. I have to constantly loan out money, I don't make much, and I can barely pay for gas to get into town like once a damned month :laughing:. But guess what? I still buy cd's. I still see the liner notes where the band thanks the fan for purchasing their cd. Of course you don't care if your music is downloaded, you're a student and not focusing on music as a full time way of support.

are you ready because this may be a shock to you but



































































































U R DUMB LOLZ

If I'm dumb I'd hate to see what you call smart, champ.

I'm completely relying on it as my source of income and to pay for college, which is basically full time support.

Once again, "I can't afford to buy CDs" if I could, I probaly would buy the occasional CD. But I can't, all my money is going towards college and I take out the occasional bit for my girlfriend, and for random things such as sound proofing.

I don't see the point your making other then "downloading is bad 'cuz if you download the band is gonna get kicked off the label". Which is a pretty bad point when you look at bands like the arctic monkeys.

Crowquill, I understand what you're saying, and that's fine if thats what you choose to do with your music. No problem there. You just dont understand what WE'RE saying. So maybe you just love knowing that people are actually paying attention to your music, that's fine. And maybe you don't care if you make any money off of it as long as people are listening, that's fine too. But you have to understand that not all bands are like you. Bands that are already getting exposure depend on sales, period. If you're going to college, then a career in music is most likely not what you're pursuing. But there are bands that want to do what they love to make a living. Not just to work at some ****ty job and play at local clubs whenever they have the spare time. If you truly love music, then you should be able to understand why some bands only want to play it. And if they can make a living just from their music, then why not? That's their ultimate goal. Plus, if they do have a career in music. They have more time to focus on the music that they produce. Thus, making it that much better. But they need the money to support all the time they're spending trying to make the best product possible. Look at it this way, do you think Wal Mart would still be around and be such a big franchise if they just invested money into everything in the store and just gave it away for free without making any profit? of course not. You have to spend money to make money. So if bands invest alot of time and money into making music, and they get nothing back....then just like any other business, IT WILL DIE.

My points are, you could probably earn more money working at Burger King until you get help from a label, unless you are constantly touring. Secondly if you'd read instead of assume, I'm saying it is vital to purchase albums when you can. I download music. Shocker, eh? I also go back and buy it if I like it, and if I don't it goes straight to the little folder called "The Recycling Bin".
I host mp3's on my own website. I'm not here to make an agenda of abolishing downloading, I'm just proving my point that record labels need record sales. It's not the hardest thing to understand.

agreed.

I enjoy making money of doing something I like.

See one huge flaw in your analogy. Record companies aren't just going to start giving everything away, and if Wal Mart did do that they would've gotten a hell of alot of exposure.

Also, I do plan to make music my career but im not so stupid as to think that its going to work out and boom off automatically. I need a back up plan and i'd prefer to get a good one.

Also I realize bands do that for a living and all, it doesn't make me feel bad especially when you have assholes like Trophy Scars who are pricks to their fans, i'd download from then anyday.

Once again, i'm not going to make myself suffer just to look like I have morals. Especailly not for something as materialistic as music.

That's not a flaw, that's just you looking for an easy way out of that particular argument. If you ever did well in the business, would you prefer making the music and working another job 24/7, or would you like enough money to make music your life? You act like this is rocket science here, since our point is fairly simple.

EDIT: And no I don't think you should blow all your cash on music.
I'm just saying to buy it if you like it, when you can afford to.

I wasn't talking about the record companies. I was talking about downloading music. Dude, it's cool if you dont have the cash to buy cds and you want to listen to these bands. I'm just talking about the people that do have the money to buy cds but would much rather just download it for free and leave it at that. Yeah, I realize that alot of bands have been signed thanks to the exposure they received from the internet. But even more bands have suffered because of it. I wasn't born with a silver spoon in my mouth either and I work almost everyday but I still buy cds. It's a completely different story if you dont have enough money to buy cds or whatever. As long as you do something to support them. Whether it be buying a cd whenever you can afford it or something as simple as referring them to a friend. Which could be a bad thing if that friend is the type that we've been talking about.....has the money to buy the album but just downloads it instead.

I am 32 and professionally employed. I steal whatever music that I can, if I cannot find a torrent I have to bite the bullet and buy it. I can afford to buy Cd's, I just don't choose to. The 23 bucks that I spend on a Cd could buy me a case of beer or something, so I don't buy Cd's that I can easily download. I really don't give a sh!t about the artist due to the fact that I don't know them and they don't know me, if I enjoy said artist I will see them live when they come to my town and more than likely drop $40.00 at their merch table.

This is the way I see things and I sleep like a baby at night

For one if you pay 23 dollars for a cd, you need a check-up from the neck-up.

yeah, and secondly.....sounds like you have a very meaningful life.

Canadian bucks including tax, most of the Cd's that I order are $19.99 or higher

I have no complaints. I worked 8 hours last night then came home and listened to some tunes in my hot tub for about an hour, life is VERY good to me

Move here where we pay 12-14 dollars per cd.

even for special order cd's??

ok, so if you have all this money and life is SOOO good to you....that's kinda pathetic dude. If you can blow your cash on a hot tub(among other things that you really dont need im sure) but yet, you bitch about having to pay $23 or whatever for a cd...that's ****ing sad.

Highest I've ever paid is 20$, and that's cause no other store carried the cd in town, I didn't have access to a credit card, and I didn't want to go 40 miles to Macon. If I want it unedited, I get it online for 10-12 apiece.

I think I'll decide what is pathetic in my life thanks, and last I checked I can spend MY money on whatever I feel like. Sorry it meets your disapproval, my feelings are very hurt

:beer: :laughing: :clap:

I realize that, ****hole. I'm just saying dont bitch about buying a cd for $23 if youre going to gleefully say "oh yeah, I have a hot tub...and I have this...and I have that...and life is good to me." If you work for your cash, that's fine. But dont bitch about $23 if you feel the need to spend your money elsewhere. What's the difference in paying $23 for beer and $23 for a cd. atleast the cd will still be there for more than one night. (knowing how a majority of you ****s drink.)

i`d rather have the music AND the beer personally

I think everyone here has respectfully gotten their points across. Now back on subject....I use Limewire, but I've heard Ares and Frostwire are much better.

Of course if you want real irony if I burn off a downloaded CD for anybody it`s usually on a blank CD made by ... you`ve guessed it ... SONY

Sony's in a right nice fix thanks to those little rootkits they put on alot of albums.

lol no need to be arrogant about it.

I'm gonna re-post what I said early and add on to it.

I'm tired of cd buyers stupid eltist thoughts of "of were better cause we purchase our music, and you're so horrible because you download". Seriously, its annoying its not your money and your self-righteous ranting is lame, especially cause you keep basically saying the same thing over and over.

CDs are overpriced and expensive, and not all of us white suburban kids whos mommys can buy them their KoRn CDs so they have something to listen to while they jack off to fifty cent videos.

We were already done with this subject. Why feel the need to beat a dead horse here? Before, you made your point nicely, but now you just made it look like you're talking out your ass. The hell?

I don't read each indiviual time of the posts I reply to. I really don't see how I was talking out my ass either, I think your OMGZSUPPORTTHESTORES rants/eltism were stupid and I posted my thoughts on it, because it pisses me off when I encounter people like you guys.

No, I agreed that I don't expect you to buy albums when you can't afford them, and I thought you got my point with the record sales. Right now I'm sorry to say it, but you're just making arrogant posts. There was no need for you to repost, and it was downright dumb to add on what you did. Secondly, there was no need to be curt with your previous post.

This entire statement is invalid being that you should eat your own words you have had an arrogant hue to your posts in this entire thread.

This is coming from a guy who posts "u r dumb lolz"? Do you even stop to do some downright research on a subject, before thinking you already know everything to be known on the matter? You haven't posted anything in this current argument unless it's regarding me, so go spread your kindergarten grade insults in another thread.

A REAL LIFE EDGER!!!
AWESOME!!!!

With 20 posts under your belt I really don't think you are in any position to talk sh!t, keep talking and I don't think you will be staying long

^ I know him personally and he isn't trying to offend you, just merely state his opinion on it.

Why do you keep saying this? This is the topic of the thread. If YOU are done with it then leave.