i don't like doing this but i want to address everything you said in this post...
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Originally Posted by Schizotypic
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Okay I could see that. So what do you like about Beefheart? What albums would you recommend?
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a good start would be
Trout Mask Replica. it's probably the most challenging of the lot but it will provide you a good focus on what his material is apt to sound like. from there
Lick My Decals Off, Baby and
Safe As Milk are probably his next two best. towards his latter part of his career he achieved somewhat of a groove with a new backing band -- the albums
Shiny Beast (Bat Chain Puller) and
Doc at the Radar Station would probably be among my personal favorites.
as for what i like about Beefheart, i can
appreciate the complexity and the organic preservation of the instrumentals, but what i
enjoy most is the abbreviated marriage of poetic license and aural dissonance: the juxtaposition of what makes me think and what makes me feel.
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I'm just finding it hard to get into him. What I'm asking is how do you know he's not just being pretentious?
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a loaded question to be sure, but an understandable position at that. i've long expressed that i feel Beefheart was in no way pretentious -- his was a veritable enigma to the world, but always encapsulating the same idiosyncratic humor that his personality typified.
interviews that he's given over the years certainly vindicate him of this.
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I've heard from so many people that the albums are really inaccessible at first, and that many albums of his sound bad... but they grow on them.... and then suddenly they realize he was a genius. Do you think he is a genius?
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yes, there is an element of "you won't like it at first" in there but i think that follows suit for any challenging music you might listen to. i listened to PIL's Metal Box for a year before i finally "got" it.
was Beefheart a genius? perhaps. it's easy to recognize him for the effect he had upon the musical world, but unless you really immerse yourself in his material i doubt you'll coincide based upon what he wrote.
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I just don't want to get myself all excited and end up having some placebo effect about liking his music, or thinking it is good when it isn't. I can't judge at all, I really haven't listened to jack shit by him. I started listening to the beginning of Safe As Milk and it just sounded bluesy to me. Not inaccessible or genius, but that was only a few songs. Thanks for the input so far btw.
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i never made a conscious effort to enjoy Beefheart, it was never this arduous task to me. i simply enjoyed a few of his tunes on his first album and tried a few more thereafter.
and just to note:
Safe As Milk is probably the least Beefheartian of them all. there's a few whispers of insanity on it ("Electricity") but nothing that comes close to the organized dissonance of his later works.