Me too but I think sometimes they just use it as something to defend bad songwriting. Id say that Sonic Youth's first album is incredibly difficult because of the compositional style and the recording quality but to me it has a character no other album Ive ever heard has. Same thing with some of Smog's albums. The sort of stuff Im talking about is like Jandek or the Shaggs. That stuff has no redeeming features but the Pitchfork types will always defend stuff like that under the pretense that the total lack of talent makes it 'purer in its naievety' than somthing by somebody who actually knows three chords.

Dude, you are an idiot. A few things:

1) A7X has always sucked. They are hair metal wannabe 80s rockers. Shredding a guitar does not make your band good.

2) Don't claim to know more than people when you don't know anything about the bands you claim are "so lyke omGah g00d!" The lead singer had surgery on his vocals chords, but in general the band wanted to leave the metalcore genre because they think it's "dying".

3) If you read around rather than circle jerk with your friends over these acts, you could actually have something to say other than defending your dumb opinions on nonsensical likes and dislikes. We pick on you because you are on a music forum yet take no time out of your day to actually learn about music.

Owned.

A7X were the first metalcore I listened to, so I was partial to them until I listened to, you know, good music. I still like "Second Heartbeat" though. But yes, they suck both ass and balls now trying to be Iron Maiden which is hard to do when your singer sounds like he's getting fisted up the butt by a 400 pound biker that hasn't cut his nails in a few weeks.

In retrospect, why the hell did I like them?

I never said they were good at all I just said that compareing Sound The Seventh Trumpet and City Of Evil sounded different....I've never been a fan of AV7X just saying how they sold out by playing along side Green Day and Good Charlotte.

And thats the kinda crap Pitchfork writes on a regular basis, "Gilmour sucks, Syd rules", how many times have you gone through with rants like that and I don't even bother to respond with more than a simple I disagree just not to start an argument? It's f*cking annoying.

You're saying it as if people only like Gilmour more because he's more skilled, hell David Gilmour isn't even very skilled to begin with, his solos are strictly pentatonic 99.9% of the time, and he rarely riff's, he's even admitted himself that he's not much of a riffer. Gilmour is just a great guitarist, it has nothing to do with skill as far as I'm conerned. And because you prefer one Floyd album and two solo albums over someones 40 plus career of superior musicianship that you likely haven't even heard half of just strikes me as bizzare, though not in the least bit surprising.

Syd however is a very influencial guitarist, and I don't hesitate to call him a great guitarist, or at least an important one. Effects like his were rarely used back in the day.

If you were refering to someone like George Thorogood rather than Clapton, then I would have agreed with you.

Woah woah woah

Where did I say Gilmour sucks?
And for the record I reviewed Barrets solo albums on this site & I said they were patchy at best and that the presence of Gilmour made his 2nd album much more listenable.

I think you're reading far too much into that. I happen to like a lot of Pink Floyd stuff , not just the Barrett era. It's only The Wall & Atom Heart Mother I don't like. All I was saying is that Gilmour playing the Barrett era stuff sounds wrong to me and that just because Gilmour is a better guitarist it's not the be all & end all of everything. That's not a rant , thats just an opinion. Right-Track managed to see the point I was getting at so why can't you?

Oh ok then, sorry. Your point? Well I don't agree with Gilmour sounding like a session musician who dosen't know what he's doing, not at all. But I can understand why you like Barrett more, his style is pretty all over the place and wild, Gilmour is the exact opposite, contained and disciplined. I always appreciated the stark contrast in the twos playing, I think it makes Floyds catelog of music all the more diverse. Whatever style suits you better though, thats cool, sorry I misunderstood you. I usually get very PMS when I think someone is dissing either one of them. Thats how devoted I get when it comes to my irrational Pink Floyd fanboism.

"Selling out" is largely an irrational fan-made philosophy, and a worthless one at that. There are times when it applies, but for the most part it's a lot of crying over nothing.

i need moeny for prom
so i sold a movie
i sold out

THANK YOU!!!

Depends what their contract obligations are.If you sign a 3 album deal & you've got only 2 albums worth of material worth recording it can get a bit of a problem.I try and ELP you out , what I am talking about.