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tdoc210 05-06-2007 08:15 PM

ill be content if David or Elliott wins

Kevorkian Logic 05-06-2007 08:19 PM

I kinda feel that way, Crowquill has a lot of pull on this site (which is completely understandable, he's nice, rational, and is on and posts a lot of non-spam related posts).

Also I think Elliott Smith is some indie icon, and since indie is the big craze he gets lots of votes.

I don't think he is the best band though, The Fall, Black Sabbath, and David Bowie (i'm ignoring Bright Eyes as a choice) have contributed much more groundbreaking, technically advanced music, which I believe constitutes a better band.

We're talking the BEST band in the scope of all bands. And a indie guy with a unique voice is the best band? I just don't get it.

I hope I made some sense in my ramblings.

Sparky 05-06-2007 08:24 PM

its not a "the most influential artist" poll though, its a "who do you enjoy listning to the most" poll

yes ill admit black sabbath may have had more of an impact, but i honestly enjoy listning to elliott smith or the fall more then them.
I still voted for mah guy bowie though :)

Laces Out Dan! 05-06-2007 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Kevorkian Logic (Post 364814)
I kinda feel that way, Crowquill has a lot of pull on this site (which is completely understandable, he's nice, rational, and is on and posts a lot of non-spam related posts).

Also I think Elliott Smith is some indie icon, and since indie is the big craze he gets lots of votes.

I don't think he is the best band though, The Fall, Black Sabbath, and David Bowie (i'm ignoring Bright Eyes as a choice) have contributed much more groundbreaking, technically advanced music, which I believe constitutes a better band.

We're talking the BEST band in the scope of all bands. And a indie guy with a unique voice is the best band? I just don't get it.

I hope I made some sense in my ramblings.

you're dense...have you ever sat and thought that the reason so many people like elliott is because his music was amazing?

Inuzuka Skysword 05-06-2007 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by _LesPaul43_ (Post 364816)
you're dense...have you ever sat and thought that the reason so many people like elliott is because his music was amazing?

It isn't. Mozart is amazing, Led Zeppelin is amazing, Black Sabbath is amazing, The Beatles are amazing, etc. The bands that revolutionized music are amazing because they revolutionized music. This indie singer did not create enough original, influential material for him to be amazing.

cardboard adolescent 05-06-2007 08:51 PM

Although I couldn't keep myself from voting Black Sabbath, I'd much rather see Bowie take this one, after all, he kept things interesting, changed his sound, and made groundbreaking albums, whereas Elliot Smith just recorded a bunch of music that I find uninteresting, derivative and bland.

just for kicks 05-06-2007 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Inuzuka Skysword (Post 364812)
I honestly think a lot of people are following Crowquill, but that is just me.

well you can think that if you wish, but i picked elliott because i wanted to. he is an amazing artist and i feel good when i listen to him. although ill admit it was very close between elliott and bowie

Laces Out Dan! 05-06-2007 09:24 PM

everyone accept the fact that we think Elliott is an amazing artist. As said before..this is a personal preference poll.

Strummer521 05-06-2007 09:25 PM

I can't believe Black Sabbath made it this far. I had no idea they were so popular around here. anyway I voted Elliott.

sleepy jack 05-07-2007 12:46 AM

I don't feel like quoting everyone, as said before this is about personal preference. Why would I vote for Black Sabbath? I don't like their music, I don't even like metal so their influence doesn't even mean much to me. They do nothing for me, Bowie doesn't do a thing for me and neither does the Fall why should I vote for them?

I think elliott is amazing and I thought that post was dumb because heres what you probably thought 'if I name drop a bunch of untouchable bands no one can disagree with me!'. I find Elliott way more amazing then Sabbath.

It kind of annoys people get so uptight about this, if it was Bob Dylan instead of Elliott no one would've complained even though Elliott did more new and innovative stuff then Dylan ever did, but hes a 'classic'. The majority of people have only heard either/or and just dismiss it as a typical indie-folk album, thats fine but you take stuff like From a Basement On the Hill and Figure 8 with songs like King's Crossing, Shooting Star, Junk Bond Trader etc, paticularly King's Crossing it shows he isn't some some folk singer, he experiments and is a very talented musician seeing as on most of the songs he played all the instruments for the most part and its not simple stuff. I'm not trying to be an annoying tool fanboy and go LOLZ LISTEN TO THE DISCOGRAPHYYZ but I think its unfair to dismiss an artist when you've probably only heard one album and that album wasn't even one of his best.

As for everyone voting just because I am, that could be true for some but Elliott is usually high on the musicbanter lastfm charts so I doubt that could be said for all.

ArtistInTheAmbulance 05-07-2007 02:12 AM

why does everyone seem to think we're utter tools for not voting for the classics they wanna win? 'tards. i think i can click one little button without it being for ethan's sake.

Inuzuka Skysword 05-07-2007 04:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Crowquill (Post 364875)
I think elliott is amazing and I thought that post was dumb because heres what you probably thought 'if I name drop a bunch of untouchable bands no one can disagree with me!'. I find Elliott way more amazing then Sabbath.

I didn't think that. Those are just bands that revolutionized music. My favorite band is Opeth and I love them more then any other band, but they have not revolutionized music and, therefore, are not amazing.

Kevorkian Logic 05-07-2007 05:31 AM

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Originally Posted by _LesPaul43_ (Post 364816)
you're dense...have you ever sat and thought that the reason so many people like elliott is because his music was amazing?

I guess we just have different definitions of what constitutes good music.

swim 05-07-2007 06:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Inuzuka Skysword (Post 364898)
I didn't think that. Those are just bands that revolutionized music. My favorite band is Opeth and I love them more then any other band, but they have not revolutionized music and, therefore, are not amazing.

What happened to music content defining an amazing band?

The Dave 05-07-2007 08:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Inuzuka Skysword (Post 364898)
I didn't think that. Those are just bands that revolutionized music. My favorite band is Opeth and I love them more then any other band, but they have not revolutionized music and, therefore, are not amazing.

So only revolutionary bands can be amazing.... Opeth is far from revolutionary my dear old hypocrite.

cardboard adolescent 05-07-2007 09:36 AM

He specifically said that they were not amazing. Way to make yourself look like a fool.

A_Perfect_Sonnet 05-07-2007 09:48 AM

Elliott. I turned on his music last night and found myself enjoying it way too much.

Yeah, and Ethan knows I really couldn't stand him before.

sleepy jack 05-07-2007 01:07 PM

Yeah, I know what you mean I didn't care for him much then one night he just kind of clicked.

DearJenny 05-07-2007 01:39 PM

David Bowie.

right-track 05-07-2007 01:43 PM

bulletin: I'm offering cash incentives to all members that vote Bowie.

swim 05-07-2007 02:02 PM

bulletin:Mancs are liars.

DearJenny 05-07-2007 02:37 PM

I should have waited five minutes to post my vote...

Inuzuka Skysword 05-07-2007 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by The Dave (Post 364924)
So only revolutionary bands can be amazing.... Opeth is far from revolutionary my dear old hypocrite.

Yup........and as was said earlier, way to read my post.


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What happened to music content defining an amazing band?
Okay so if we have a band who makes a new genre against a band that simply expands on it, which do you think has better music content? See a favorite band is totally different from a amazing band.

swim 05-07-2007 04:34 PM

I'm not talking about favorites (for the record, if you thought that's what I was pushing). I'm talking about pure music quality vs originality. Any band that pushes a new genre no doubt deserves props but I don't think it automatically makes them better from bands who just expanded on an existing genre. I think it goes case by case and I think that bands that reiterate and bend other's ideas can also be amazing via song structure.

sleepy jack 05-07-2007 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Inuzuka Skysword (Post 365027)
Yup........and as was said earlier, way to read my post.



Okay so if we have a band who makes a new genre against a band that simply expands on it, which do you think has better music content? See a favorite band is totally different from a amazing band.

The funnier part about the last sentence is this is a poll of personal preference not 'amazingness', which like most things about music is completely subjective. Black Sabbath doesn't surprise or astounish me at all, nor does Mozart, or Bowie. So why should I consider them amazing?

Kevorkian Logic 05-07-2007 05:42 PM

can we just make a poll between Elliott Smith and Bowie? Because that seems to be who it is between.

Inuzuka Skysword 05-07-2007 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Crowquill (Post 365057)
The funnier part about the last sentence is this is a poll of personal preference not 'amazingness', which like most things about music is completely subjective. Black Sabbath doesn't surprise or astounish me at all, nor does Mozart, or Bowie. So why should I consider them amazing?

What the heck. How can you not find his music amazing. His compositions contain more talent then anyone who created music on this planet. I suggest you dig deeper into his music.

sleepy jack 05-07-2007 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Inuzuka Skysword (Post 365089)
What the heck. How can you not find his music amazing.

I find classical music boring, and if I had to listen to classical. I'd probably get more into the Baroque era.

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Originally Posted by Inuzuka Skysword (Post 365089)
His compositions contain more talent then anyone who created music on this planet.

Yeah that sounds factual. O WAIT ITS NOT! JUST LIEK ME THINKING ELLIOTT AMAZING ISNT A FACT!1

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Originally Posted by Inuzuka Skysword (Post 365089)
I suggest you dig deeper into his music.

Yeah, and Why would I dig deeper into his music when I don't care for classical music at all?

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Originally Posted by Inuzuka Skysword (Post 365027)
Okay so if we have a band who makes a new genre against a band that simply expands on it, which do you think has better music content? See a favorite band is totally different from a amazing band.

I don't understand how you can go on about Mozart being 'amazing' then say this. You realize Mozart didn't start off any genres right? He composed and wrote in a bunch and popularized one, but he didn't create any. You sit here and hype him and but he doesn't fit up to your standards of amazing at all. Why don't you namedrop Montverdi or Bach instead?

The Dave 05-08-2007 07:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Inuzuka Skysword (Post 365089)
What the heck. How can you not find his music amazing. His compositions contain more talent then anyone who created music on this planet. I suggest you dig deeper into his music.

That statement is an opinion as I doubt you have listened to every musician, EVER, on the face of the Earth.

Oh, and just because someone has talent, doesn't mean we have to like them.

Urban Hat€monger ? 05-08-2007 11:54 AM

I knew this would end up in one big hissy fit.

ArtistInTheAmbulance 05-08-2007 12:13 PM

everyone loves a good hissy fit.
quit being such a killjoy :]

also, when does this close ?

Urban Hat€monger ? 05-08-2007 12:17 PM

Killjoy?

I find it funny

Crowe 05-08-2007 01:18 PM

Yo. Look at it this way, maybe... gravity in no way, shape or form astounds me. In fact I deal with it everyday, and so does everything around me. I expect it to be there... it's part of my every day life. But when you can't sit back and be like, whoa gravity is pretty f'n amazing. It's like that with Mozart. I think that your preference for music shouldn't override sensibility for whether or not something is or is not amazing. You gotta give credit where credit is due.

sleepy jack 05-08-2007 01:27 PM

Yeah but the same can be said for most of the musician/bands on this poll. Maybe not for their influence but for the actual music they made instead.

Kevorkian Logic 05-08-2007 03:10 PM

so the David Bowie/Elliott poll is a no then?

cardboard adolescent 05-08-2007 03:14 PM

SHHH black sabbath are catching up!

sleepy jack 05-08-2007 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Kevorkian Logic (Post 365358)
so the David Bowie/Elliott poll is a no then?

I don't see the point, if people wanted to vote for Bowie on this they would have if I did that you'd have people who don't even listen to Bowie voting for Bowie because hes Bowie, which I think speaks for itself.

Kevorkian Logic 05-08-2007 03:35 PM

well, there is a reason Bowie speaks for Bowie.

But can't you just humor me?
I'll give you a cookie.

TheBig3 05-08-2007 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Inuzuka Skysword (Post 364645)
Me too. Black Sabbath created a huge genre where as what did Elliot Smith create?

endless terrible threads.

sabbath

Inuzuka Skysword 05-08-2007 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by The Dave (Post 365219)
That statement is an opinion as I doubt you have listened to every musician, EVER, on the face of the Earth.

Oh, and just because someone has talent, doesn't mean we have to like them.

1st of all how the heck will you talk about a exaggerated statement. I obviously have not listened to every band, but Mozart's work is so genius I don't know how anyone can compare with it.

Second of all, you may not have to like them, but you still have to respect them.


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