What is music? (metal, guitarist, solo, quotes, talent)

boo boo · 06-21-2007, 04:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Frances

What about machines? like, industrial sounds. are they controlled? the "music" they make is a bi-product of the machines actual purpose.
not picking sides, just a question.

The machines themselves are making the noise, the noises are not being managed or controlled by human hands.

Sound Devastation · 06-21-2007, 10:55 AM

music is what YOU enjoy listening to.

chumb · 06-21-2007, 11:13 AM

I don't enjoy listening to Avril Lavigne.. but I still consider her output to be music.

jackhammer · 06-21-2007, 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by boo boo

Not at all really.

I can write a guitar part with no emotion attached to it, its still a melody, so its still music.

Thing is, an emotional reaction is like a fingerprint, they're different with everybody. Anybody can be moved by just about any kind of music.

You can't write a guitar part without emotion. Even if the sound created was completely dischordant, your brain told you to make it that way to back up the fact. A machine can be emotionless. A human being is incapable of not showing emotion. Whether that emotion is never recognised by anyone else, it is still emotion. A machine runs on a linear scale. A human mind does not. All music that WE create is music, whether another human appreciates it or not.This thought process is emotional.

Frances · 06-21-2007, 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by boo boo

The machines themselves are making the noise, the noises are not being managed or controlled by human hands.

So is it music?

boo boo · 06-21-2007, 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by jackhammer

You can't write a guitar part without emotion. Even if the sound created was completely dischordant, your brain told you to make it that way to back up the fact. A machine can be emotionless. A human being is incapable of not showing emotion. Whether that emotion is never recognised by anyone else, it is still emotion. A machine runs on a linear scale. A human mind does not. All music that WE create is music, whether another human appreciates it or not.This thought process is emotional.

Actually, that is a very good point. It all depends on how you define emotion really.

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Originally Posted by Frances

So is it music?

No.

Now I expect you to retort with "what about loop machines? they make their own sounds" but the thing is someone programed it to make those specific sounds, and those sounds serve a musical purpose. So it is music. Its not like an industrial machine, like say a trencher, where the noise being made are just a by product of the machines actual job, it wasn't specifically what the machine was made to do.

And please don't give me a bunch of BS about telephones, alarm clocks and bull horns, that dosen't qualify as music either. Those sounds don't serve a musical purpose, so its not music, its just getting someones attention with really annoying sounds, like Michael Angelo Batio.

Frances · 06-21-2007, 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by boo boo

No.

Now I expect you to retort with "what about loop machines? they make their own sounds" but the thing is someone programed it to make those specific sounds. Its not like an industrial machine, where the sounds being made are just a byproduct of the machines actual job, the sounds are not part of the machines job.

And please don't give me a bunch of BS about telephones and alarm clocks, that dosen't qualify as music either. Those sounds don't serve a musical purpose, so its not music, its just getting someones attention with really annoying sounds, like Michael Angelo Batio.

So, if I find a machine noise rhythmical is it not music? I've worked in a few factorys and I have often found myself bopping around to a machines repeditive sound. or am I just "Noise Jumping"

boo boo · 06-21-2007, 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Frances

So, if I find a machine noise rhythmical is it not music?

Unless you were using it to make those sounds yourself, then no.

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I've worked in a few factorys and I have often found myself bopping around to a machines repeditive sound. or am I just "Noise Jumping"

Well, it can qualify as music to you if you choose to interpret it as music, and you can interpret almost anything as music. But most people don't interpret industrial noise to be music, thats part of the point.

I'm talking about the basic laws of music, just because you hear a melody in random noise dosent make it music, because that "melody" is coincidental, not intentional. Music has to be either made by man weither by hand or by programming or by some other living creature (So yeah, birds and whales singing, crickets chirping, that qualifies as music), or something made by man to manipulate nature specifically to create sounds, like Wind Chimes or Wind Harps.

Frances · 06-21-2007, 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by boo boo

Unless you were using it to make those sounds yourself, then no.

Well, it can qualify as music to you if you choose to interpret it as music, and you can interpret almost anything as music. But most people don't interpret industrial noise to be music, [/B]thats part of the point.

I'm talking about the basic laws of music, just because you hear a melody in random noise dosent make it music, because that "melody" is coincidental, not intentional.

I disagree. I don't believe most people make a definitive answer. If 1 person finds it to be music, you can't say it's not. because to them, it is! So, it is! Not for everybody, agreed. but for some, or even just that 1.

TheBig3 · 06-21-2007, 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by The Unfan

Only partially true. I can honestly say not all jazz fans are friendly people nor can I say all metalheads slay dragons.

But shouldn't you be able to...in a perfect world.

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On the other hand all U2 fans are pretentious twats.

And you just "METAL HEADS LOL"'d me in another thread...how dare you.

@ boo boo

Do you mean empirically it has no emotion? Like if I drag a bow across a strong theres no emotion inherently in that sound the arises? Im asking before I argue here.

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