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charlie w 08-01-2007 09:26 PM

Kurt Cobain would be 40 this year
 
Nirvana was the first band I really loved. I felt some type of a connection with their music and I was 13 years old when he committed suicide. Kinda dates myself that he would be 40 this year, but it is still tragic. I don't think after all of these years that I am completely over it. I embrace his music still, but feel he had a lot left to say. For those Nirvana fans, my question to you is how did you deal with Kurt's suicide?

charlie w 08-01-2007 09:31 PM

well I just joined this forum and was talking about something that had been on my mind. Thought there might be some Nirvana fans left. Thats cool if you don't care, I am just looking to talk with those who do care.

GravitySlips 08-02-2007 04:05 AM

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Originally Posted by charlie w (Post 385401)
Thought there might be some Nirvana fans left.

Are you serious?

Larkrise 08-02-2007 04:22 AM

Well when I heard of his suicide, yeah I was pissed. I was one of those, "Kurt is my husband, I love him more than myself, obsessed with him and the hatred of Courtney Love" people. I was your age when he died. I heard about it in grade 9 Religion class. lol thinking back I realize how immature I was back then. It wasn't like I really knew this guy. It was just an obsession I had. Like you, Nirvana was also the first band I loved. There was like this bond between all Nirvana fans everywhere. Like we all really got each other. Some who never experienced this will laugh and likely think we are all dumb, but this is how it was. Nirvana represented my youth. Today, Nirvana still represents my youth, but I am not the fan I used to be.

Today whenever I here people talk about Nirvana I just roll my eyes. I guess it's just that I feel they are talking about me...making fun of me or mocking me in some way. I also don't think the people who are into them nowadays really understand the impact they had back when Kurt was alive. It's almost as if they are trying to pretend to be someone they aren't. I also find their music boring now. I don't think it's because I over played them. I think it's because I have grown up. I don't need Nirvana anymore. It's not that I disrespect them, I'm just apathetic.

boo boo 08-02-2007 06:32 AM

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Originally Posted by GravitySlips (Post 385470)
Are you serious?

I guess he is. I'm still here after all. So you can't say he's completely wrong.

TheBig3 08-02-2007 08:09 AM

I sometimes wonder about dead artists and whether or not they'd still be good. Like, would a 60+ Hendrix still blow out packed arenas, or local bars?

I love Nirvana, but Cobain would have done well to do a side project that was just him and his acoustic.

Inuzuka Skysword 08-02-2007 08:48 AM

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I love Nirvana, but Cobain would have done well to do a side project that was just him and his acoustic.
Yeah he would. There are plenty of people that he could rip-off in that genre.

boo boo 08-02-2007 08:54 AM

Yeah. Take Smells Like Teen Spirit for example, it's SUCH a ripoff of Ain't Seen Nothing Yet by Bachman Turner Overdrive.

Son of JayJamJah 08-02-2007 09:26 AM

It's also a rip off of Boston's More then a Feeling.

God Cobain was such a thief!!!!!

It's a good thing all these super smart people are here to remind us how smart they are!

erthy 08-02-2007 02:48 PM

Smells Like Teen Spirit may have been a rip-off, but it did what it was supposed to do, which is open people's eyes to a great band and genre that were going relatively unnoticed by most people.

He didn't write it to be a totally original masterpiece, he wrote to be a pop song, and it was.

boo boo 08-02-2007 02:52 PM

I was merely mocking how people claim that SLTS is a ripoff of at least a thousand different songs.

Truth is many of these bands use the same generic chord progression, but none of them are exactly the same. SLTS may be a generic riff, but its not stolen directly by any song.

You can name drop any song you want, More Than A Feeling, Debaser, Godzilla, Louie Louie, Girls Just Wanna Have Fun. I've heard them all.

TheBig3 08-02-2007 03:05 PM

I go to the gym and work out three times a week so that sometimes when im drunk enough I can knock at least three teeth out of the face of any pretentious suit-coat-over-t-shirt jackass who starts sentences with "well actually they stole that idea from..." or any variation there of. Then I recite my favorite lines from Paradise Lost, just to throw that in their faces. And I look them right in the eye and say "you're a soulless hipster who steals everything from someone else." If I make it to this point, then im promptly throw out.

Lets get serious fellas, do we really need to have a "who stole what from whom" conversation every time some great band in mentioned somewhere? We know you don't like Nirvana/Zeppelin because its cool to do that. We also don't care, go posture in front of someone 5 years younger who doesn't know you're not a revolutionary prophet.

how many of you heard SLTS and thought "whoa, since when did BTO write new music...with passion this time?" none of you did, and no one else did either. no ones ripping anything off expect this weak ass argument that i've had to endure a thousand friggen times over since the strokes decided to ruin my life by making an album. Jesus....

Larkrise 08-02-2007 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by TheBig3KilledMyRainDog (Post 385675)
I go to the gym and work out three times a week so that sometimes when im drunk enough I can knock at least three teeth out of the face of any pretentious suit-coat-over-t-shirt jackass who starts sentences with "well actually they stole that idea from..." or any variation there of. Then I recite my favorite lines from Paradise Lost, just to throw that in their faces. And I look them right in the eye and say "you're a soulless hipster who steals everything from someone else." If I make it to this point, then im promptly throw out.

Lets get serious fellas, do we really need to have a "who stole what from whom" conversation every time some great band in mentioned somewhere? We know you don't like Nirvana/Zeppelin because its cool to do that. We also don't care, go posture in front of someone 5 years younger who doesn't know you're not a revolutionary prophet.

how many of you heard SLTS and thought "whoa, since when did BTO write new music...with passion this time?" none of you did, and no one else did either. no ones ripping anything off expect this weak ass argument that i've had to endure a thousand friggen times over since the strokes decided to ruin my life by making an album. Jesus....


Right on! My thoughts exactly.

boo boo 08-02-2007 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by TheBig3KilledMyRainDog (Post 385675)
I go to the gym and work out three times a week so that sometimes when im drunk enough I can knock at least three teeth out of the face of any pretentious suit-coat-over-t-shirt jackass who starts sentences with "well actually they stole that idea from..." or any variation there of. Then I recite my favorite lines from Paradise Lost, just to throw that in their faces. And I look them right in the eye and say "you're a soulless hipster who steals everything from someone else." If I make it to this point, then im promptly throw out.

Lets get serious fellas, do we really need to have a "who stole what from whom" conversation every time some great band in mentioned somewhere? We know you don't like Nirvana/Zeppelin because its cool to do that. We also don't care, go posture in front of someone 5 years younger who doesn't know you're not a revolutionary prophet.

how many of you heard SLTS and thought "whoa, since when did BTO write new music...with passion this time?" none of you did, and no one else did either. no ones ripping anything off expect this weak ass argument that i've had to endure a thousand friggen times over since the strokes decided to ruin my life by making an album. Jesus....


WTF WTF WTF WTF WTF

Is this true? Am I actually.... Agreeing with you? O_O

I guess just about anything can happen once. ;)

TheBig3 08-02-2007 03:47 PM

we'd get along a lot better if you'd just agree that im right.

charlie w 08-02-2007 04:16 PM

i miss kurt

tough to go on without him

CAPTAIN CAVEMAN 08-02-2007 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by charlie w (Post 385690)
i miss kurt

tough to go on without him

I lol'd.

TheBig3 08-02-2007 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by The-Starving-Artless (Post 385699)
I lol'd.

To you and the 8 other people who got their spam deleted, do you realize that we don't think you're intelligent or above anyone for hating popular things?

And if you "really do hate Kurt", then why post. Its getting old.

CAPTAIN CAVEMAN 08-02-2007 05:38 PM

I don't hate Kurt Cobain. I just found it amusing that he "misses him and finds it hard to go on without him" when he probably didn't even know him.

boo boo 08-02-2007 05:49 PM

Well its like Elvis and John Lennon, even people who didn't know them personally were deeply affected by their loss, thats just how much their music meant to people.

Yeah, I just compared Kurt Cobain to Elvis and John Lennon. Deal with it.

Frances 08-02-2007 07:24 PM

Mine was deleted and all I was trying to say was I thought he would've gone to sh!t if he was still alive. Just because I tried to put some humour with it, Are my thoughts not valid?

boo boo 08-02-2007 07:31 PM

Big3 must have felt that you were just trying to start crap with me and him.

Frances 08-02-2007 07:35 PM

Nope. I don't start fights, just laughing fits.

Inuzuka Skysword 08-02-2007 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by boo boo (Post 385667)
I was merely mocking how people claim that SLTS is a ripoff of at least a thousand different songs.

Truth is many of these bands use the same generic chord progression, but none of them are exactly the same. SLTS may be a generic riff, but its not stolen directly by any song.

You can name drop any song you want, More Than A Feeling, Debaser, Godzilla, Louie Louie, Girls Just Wanna Have Fun. I've heard them all.

I don't think any of their specific songs are a rip-off, but the general sound of each one has been used somewhere else.

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I go to the gym and work out three times a week so that sometimes when im drunk enough I can knock at least three teeth out of the face of any pretentious suit-coat-over-t-shirt jackass who starts sentences with "well actually they stole that idea from..." or any variation there of. Then I recite my favorite lines from Paradise Lost, just to throw that in their faces. And I look them right in the eye and say "you're a soulless hipster who steals everything from someone else." If I make it to this point, then im promptly throw out.
Are you talking about the book or the band Paradise Lost? I can understand that Paradise Lost doesn't have good lyrics, but they actually did create the genre gothic metal, which is more than what Nirvana did. Not to mention they also helped create death/doom metal, but their new stuff is crap.

boo boo 08-02-2007 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Inuzuka Skysword (Post 385762)
I don't think any of their specific songs are a rip-off, but the general sound of each one has been used somewhere else.

Thats what I'm saying, just because its generic dosen't make it a ripoff.

charlie w 08-02-2007 09:31 PM

i could relate to kurt's music more than anyone else's. I never knew him and although I wish I did, in some way I feel there was a connection with his music. Laugh if you will, but I still feel that way. He affected music and for that matter people in a way I have never seen before. He truly was special and I have not been the same since. I have suffered through death of family members, a best friends suicide, parents divorce and throgh all of that I felt like I could turn to Nirvana and "escape". Kurt really spoke to me, I was drawn to his music and I will always miss him. I wish someone could've done something to keep him alive.

CAPTAIN CAVEMAN 08-02-2007 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by charlie w (Post 385777)
i could relate to kurt's music more than anyone else's. I never knew him and although I wish I did, in some way I feel there was a connection with his music. Laugh if you will, but I still feel that way. He affected music and for that matter people in a way I have never seen before. He truly was special and I have not been the same since. I have suffered through death of family members, a best friends suicide, parents divorce and throgh all of that I felt like I could turn to Nirvana and "escape". Kurt really spoke to me, I was drawn to his music and I will always miss him. I wish someone could've done something to keep him alive.

In this case I apologize. I sort of thought you were just another one-topic semi-spammer.

charlie w 08-02-2007 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by The-Starving-Artless (Post 385781)
In this case I apologize. I sort of thought you were just another one-topic semi-spammer.

No spam here. Its ok man, I am not trying to ask for pity. Just telling a little of my story as to why Nirvana means so much to me. I remember watching the interview with Tori Amos about Smells Like Teen Spirit and being on the verge of tears, because the words she spoke were dead on.



Give it a listen. I might be one of the few Nirvana fans left, but I am curious if there are any others left. Which i why I have said what I have said. Her comments on Smells...I think are dead on. For those who grew up on their music, it was an injection.

Sparky 08-02-2007 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by charlie w (Post 385789)
No spam here. Its ok man, I am not trying to ask for pity. Just telling a little of my story as to why Nirvana means so much to me. I remember watching the interview with Tori Amos about Smells Like Teen Spirit and being on the verge of tears, because the words she spoke were dead on.



Give it a listen. I might be one of the few Nirvana fans left, but I am curious if there are any others left. Which i why I have said what I have said. Her comments on Smells...I think are dead on. For those who grew up on their music, it was an injection.

smells like teen spirit is still one of the top singles on itunes. And nirvana is number 9 for top artists at last.fm

your not that isolated, they're still very very popular. Actually, i think a new movie is coming out about him.

charlie w 08-02-2007 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by matious (Post 385820)
smells like teen spirit is still one of the top singles on itunes. And nirvana is number 9 for top artists at last.fm

your not that isolated, they're still very very popular. Actually, i think a new movie is coming out about him.

while what you say may be true, they can be popular to most, but still don't have the same impact as they did while I was growing up. Their music can still be appreciated, but its just different.

Inuzuka Skysword 08-03-2007 07:37 AM

Ha anyone read his biography Heavier Than Heaven or was it just me that he was not right in the head. He pretty much raped a handicapped/retarded person. I don't know if making this guy your hero is exactly safe. Not only that, but he also made paintings with his semen.

Sparky 08-03-2007 03:15 PM

TV Links - Video

thought you might like this charlie.

Documentary on Sonic youth/Nirvana tour in '91.

some interesting clips i hadn't seen before

boo boo 08-03-2007 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Inuzuka Skysword (Post 385914)
Not only that, but he also made paintings with his semen.

Whats wrong with that? :D

right-track 08-03-2007 05:24 PM

He made wank paintings...


...sorry, couldn't resist it.


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