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sleepy jack 10-06-2007 04:11 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ProggyMan (Post 404245)
I'm not saying everyone of them is lying, but most are. That's been my point all along.
You said all of them were only saying it for indie cred.

ProggyMan 10-06-2007 04:12 PM
And I'm standing by that.

littleknowitall 10-06-2007 04:16 PM
tha's an easy question, sell outs on a basic level are bands that put money and fame before their passion before music

Urban Hat€monger ? 10-06-2007 04:16 PM
I do love how everytime I come out with a point he ignores it.

Go on , disprove my point about how signing an established indie band with a ready made audience makes bad business sense.

ProggyMan 10-06-2007 04:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Urban Hatemonger (Post 404240)
It's not the case that they are exceptions because they're not , it's practical business sense.

If you can find an popular independent band that sells maybe 200,000 - 300,000 then you have virtually that many sales guaranteed you budget to sell that many albums and if & when they do you make a healthy profit , anything more than that is a bonus.

Compare that to making up your own boyband spending huge amounts of money on advertising to make them known , because you'll need it with them having no audience , throw in a load of songwriters , choreographers , stylists , producers that all need paying and then you hope you sell a couple of million albums to break even.

Sure if it does take off you get the bigger return but the first option is the less risky.
Consider the amount of money made on singles, concerts, endorsements, etc. How much airplay does Sigur Ros get? How many people attend their concerts? Do they have any chance of getting an endorsement deal?

sleepy jack 10-06-2007 04:25 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ProggyMan (Post 404249)
And I'm standing by that.
Oh jesus christ this is exactly what i'm talking about.

You just said not every band wanted to be signed to a major label (despite saying the opposite earlier.) Then said most are lying if they say they don't. Then i'd pointed out earlier that you'd said all bands that said they didn't want to be signed were lying just for indie cred. To which you'd said you stood by.

You contradicted yourself twice, how am I wrong about you switching up points (even if they don't stick to your argument) for the sake of countering an argument?

Urban Hat€monger ? 10-06-2007 04:27 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ProggyMan (Post 404253)
Consider the amount of money made on singles, concerts, endorsements, etc. How much airplay does Sigur Ros get? How many people attend their concerts? Do they have any chance of getting an endorsement deal?
Sigur Ros don't strike me as the kind of band who would go in for endorsement deals , but then I would imagine that nobody in the record company expects them to come out with an album that will sell millions of copies either. Which goes to prove my point , the record company will market them at a level where they can make a profit with their existing fan base.

sleepy jack 10-06-2007 04:32 PM
I don't think Sigur Ros gives a rat ass about selling records, this is the band that released an album thats title was (), that had no lyrics just a made up "language" and didn't title any of the songs. They're either called Sigur Ros 1 or Untitled 1. The CD sleeve also had nothing in it but blank pages that were meant for you to write your thoughts on the album in. Pretentious yeah, but thats not something your average MTV fan would find appealing.

ProggyMan 10-06-2007 04:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Crowquill (Post 404255)
Oh jesus christ this is exactly what i'm talking about.

You just said not every band wanted to be signed to a major label (despite saying the opposite earlier.) Then said most are lying if they say they don't. Then i'd pointed out earlier that you'd said all bands that said they didn't want to be signed were lying just for indie cred. To which you'd said you stood by.

You contradicted yourself twice, how am I wrong about you switching up points (even if they don't stick to your argument) for the sake of countering an argument?
I never switched up my arguement. You just didn't interpetate it correctly the first time.

sleepy jack 10-06-2007 04:43 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ProggyMan (Post 404263)
I never switched up my arguement. You just didn't interpetate it correctly the first time.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Crowquill (Post 404170)
There are tons of band who didn't and don't want to make it big.
Quote:
Originally Posted by ProggyMan (Post 404174)
Once again: They say that for indie cred, but would they actually turn down a multi million dollar record deal?.
Please explain how I misinterpreted that, it seems very straightforward to me.

Urban Hat€monger ? 10-06-2007 04:46 PM
Plus bands don't get offered 'a multi million dollar' record deal.

They'll get an advance , which they have to pay back in full.

ProggyMan 10-06-2007 04:46 PM
Can you find someplace where I switched up my arguement?

sleepy jack 10-06-2007 04:51 PM
I bolded the key words.

Quote:
Originally Posted by ProggyMan (Post 404245)
I'm not saying everyone of them is lying, but most are. That's been my point all along.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Crowquill (Post 404248)
You said all of them were only saying it for indie cred.
Quote:
Originally Posted by ProggyMan (Post 404249)
And I'm standing by that.
Let me break that down for you.

You originally said ALL WERE LYING FOR INDIE CRED, then you said MOST WERE then I pointed out that you'd said ALL WERE LYING FOR INDIE CRED then you AGREED THAT YOU DID SAY THAT. Do you see the contradiction? I can't think of anyway to dumb it down even more for you.

ProggyMan 10-06-2007 04:53 PM
Which was an exaggeration to make a point. Hence the misinterpretation part. @Urban: Point is that they knew they would make millions.

Urban Hat€monger ? 10-06-2007 04:57 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ProggyMan (Post 404268)
@Urban: Point is that they knew they would make millions.
OK so assuming Sigur Ros does make millions how exactly does that disprove my point about signing an average level indie band with a track record and an audience marketed at a level where they can make a profit being wrong?

This is the 3rd time i've asked you this now & all you do is dodge the issue.

littleknowitall 10-06-2007 05:01 PM
I'd usually say, 'leave him alone mun'

but...

instead..

hes a prog fan, get him!!

Dr_Rez 10-06-2007 08:55 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by littleknowitall (Post 404271)
I'd usually say, 'leave him alone mun'

but...

instead..

hes a prog fan, get him!!
Hes said about 3 times, hes not that much f a prog fan anymore.

Urban Hat€monger ? 10-06-2007 08:59 PM
You really think he's changed that much in the 4 whole weeks he's been here?

Dr_Rez 10-06-2007 09:00 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Urban Hatemonger (Post 404299)
You really think he's changed that much in the 4 whole weeks he's been here?
No im being a nice person and giving him the benefit of the doubt, like everyone else should.

Urban Hat€monger ? 10-06-2007 09:07 PM
I'd give him the benefit of the doubt if he bothered to reply to points made rather than switching his argument all the time.

Dr_Rez 10-06-2007 09:08 PM
This is off topic but is there a funk section on this forum, i could not find one

sleepy jack 10-06-2007 09:09 PM
If I remember right people usually discuss funk in the blues and jazz forum.

ProggyMan 10-07-2007 10:09 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Urban Hatemonger (Post 404299)
You really think he's changed that much in the 4 whole weeks he's been here?
Doesn't your music taste change all the time?

=ladyface= 10-08-2007 05:34 AM
I'm really not a fan of the term 'selling out'. I did use it a bit when I was in my early teens but as I got older I realised that the routes taken to make a song weren't important to me; all that mattered was the tune itself (or, in some cases, the lyrics).

I can understand that some people get attached to their favourite bands and almost feel betrayed when they decide to make music purely for financial gain but even when a band gets to that point there will be thousands of happy listeners.


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