the clash signed on with abc

U2 promoting Apple

Given their beginings as a rebel band, this is one band that embodies the word SELL-OUT

Using the word 'sell-out' for bands like U2, who start off with a rebel image and then become mainstream and non-rebellious, would seem appropriate. This is because it seems they have used one image to gain popularity to begin with, but then once they got popular they changed the image and music so that they could profit from it. I think its appropriate only to use the term for bands who try to make big statements early in their careers and then seem to take back their original views when it suits them financially (like they were a bunch of dodgy politicians).

For me selling out relates more to image and public profile than it does to actual music. Jrs. point about Elton John and Aerosmith music getting worse with time is true, but that doesn't constitue selling out, what it does represent is the loss of inspiration, energy and true connection with the average person that often happens when a person becomes rich, famous and successful. That isn't "selling out" though, because I don't think they do it on purpose... in that they didn't change their music to make money, but instead their music changed BECAUSE they had made so much money. I don't think that Elton and Aerosmith changed their music intentionally to have wider appeal. But the position of fame and fortune makes it more difficult for some artists to get the right inspiration to fuel their creative drive and also the 'luck' which leads musicians to write some really good songs which get them initial attention can't last forever. On the contrary, their music got weaker, so less people would be interested in it - but their increased fame, through exposure, meant that more people were able to hear it in the first place, so their sales went up.

INXS would fall into this category as well

yeah

but INXS is still pretty good

even though the TV show didn't make me very happy.

:eek::confused: Thats weird, it seems for that I'm the only one around my area. :(

So?

RATM was signed to Sony.

No bands EVER "Sell out"



They simply "Buy in"

I really like that way of putting it, good job.

But on the issue as a whole, the word "sellout" has been tossed around so much that it's just lost all meaning. If you label every band that becomes popular a sellout, then the reality is that eventually, pretty much every good band will be a "sellout" sooner or later. Especially with all the exposure available over the internet, bands don't need a major record label to become popular, just a spot on purevolume and a few devoted fans to spread the word.

CBS

You really can't be serious

Their front man commits suicide, and they honour his memory by replacing him with the winner of a reality gameshow??

Low class, incredibly distasteful, shameless media whoring, and an all out disgrace to the memory of Michael Hutchence

The only kind of sellouts that I hate are bands that dumb down their music to sell albums. If you keep your music the same and stay true to your roots you arent selling out, you're just bringing good music to the masses.

bands that sell out are cool as long as they do it in a classy way; ex: modest mouse didnt change their sound while switching to a huge label.....conor on the other hand sold his music to sony and released his crappiest two albums clearly aimed at a more mainstream sound

Avenged Sevenfold have been called sell outs because they signed on to Warner Bros. and because their sound is different. I don't actually care because the new album is amazing and they've improved a lot technically too. What a lot of these hXc fans don't seem to realize is that Avenged have changed their sound on every album and I don't see why this change with City Of Evil is anything new. Either way, they're really good. I hate the fact that some of those MTV children who just recently found out about them are like 'Omigod A7x Bat Countrey1!@!1' but then again all bands have some fans like that.

I love how 'punks' rebel against societal and political confines, then confine themselves and each other. "This is what punks can do and this is what punks can't do."

Hilarious.

Sell-out?
 

Here is a quote by that idiot Mike Shinoda from Linkin Park:

Now some may ask, "Well why are you posting this?" Well I want to know whether this guys seriously means what he says or is he just saying that so that people buy his album. I believe it is all for the money.


So discuss.

I believe that suggesting that a guy is interested in making a living from his music in a thread called "Sell out?" displays a certain level of either jealousy or disconnectedness from real life.

In other words the guy has to make a living and if he can do that with his art rather than having to work as a cashier or a dishwasher then good luck to the guy.

I think the real question being posed here was is he being sincere about needing a stupid little booklet that comes inside a CD to enjoy it or is he just trying to talk people into actually going out and paying for the CD. And, in my opinion, you don't need to see pictures of the band or stupid notes to enjoy the music. If, on the other hand, the music is lackluster and overproduced, as is probably the case here, the extra material might distract you from that for a moment.

So, in answer to your question, yeah, the bastard's just trying to convince people to pay for his crappy music.

Yeah that was the question and I agree with you.

In that case I agree with the both of you. Its funny cause he's obviously not got a lot of faith in his fanbase if he thinks theyre so casual and uninterested that he has to give them a reason to pay for his music.

"Please buy our album , look we'll even throw in pictures of us goofing around in the studio"

:laughing:

I don't know why people buy albums by bands like Linkin Park anyway , I mean i've heard loads of their songs and i've made no effort or have no wish to hear them yet it seems like they release about 10 singles off each album and somehow I always get to hear the damn things.

haha. I don't listen to the radio much so I would not know. All I listen to is clasic rock on the radio. When Meteora came out pretty much any song off that album could be heard legally from the internet, MTV, or the radio.

And this is not a good album cover http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...o-midnight.jpg

This is:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...alker_Tilt.jpg

lol sounds like a thinly velied beg for people to not bootleg the cd.
i doubt group photos enhances the music :/

A band that is affectionally known as STINKING FART on these shores. Their music is almost pop music in it's arrangements and big shouty choruses. There were a couple of bands in the early 90's who were doing stuff similar to SF, albeit; with a genuine affection and acknowledgement to sampling and hip hop beats.

Senser-Stacked up. Their emphasis was more on hip hop, but an amazing album. Way ahead of it's time.

Mordred-In this Life. Their emphasis was on the thrash metal element of their sound, but they enlisted a bona fide DJ/DECKMAN into their ranks to lend their music authenticity.

Both albums went largely un noticed by the populace, but remain eminently listenable and groundbreaking. I can up if anyone is interested on their influence (for better or worse!)

TILT!!! You're my new favorite <333

Obviously he's trying to convince people to buy the album, but he does bring up a good point about the quality of downloaded music. I've burnt some CD's from my friend who downloaded a few albums from various bands, and some of them were missing track, the song order was wrong (transitions then sounded bad), etc. One of them was Arcturus's Sideshow Symphonies, and the whole album was messed up (this was before I burnt it to cd, thankfully).


Also, that **** he said about the pictures and the booklet; Nothing can describe the stupidity in that argument, in my opinion.

I've never had a problem with the quality of downloaded music, your friends just suck at it.

Exactly how can you suck at downloading music? It's not like you're doing any manual labor. It's point-and-click, right?

By getting terrible copies of albums.

I love Scott Walker.

Even if Linkin Park weren't in it just for the money it wouldn't really redeem the fact that I don't care for their music.

Well I like some songs, like Pts.Of.Athrty. But thats pretty much it. Their music just strikes me as too repetitive and pretentious, and coming from me thats saying something.

I dont like Linkin Park and he's probably saying it all for the wrong reasons... but i agree 100% with what he's trying to say.

Having seen a release from the 'other side' i know how much money and effort needs to go into a package thats any more than a jewel case, and LP are a band who have always release nice packages. whether or not its their own doing, or if they even care about it, i dont know.... but someone has put effort into it. It might be a marketing scam... but if putting cool, unusual items into a CD make people buy the CD rather than download it... then everyone gets more from it, so does it really matter?

We love putting 'extras' in with our releases.. Aotea comes with a lolipop! do we do it as marketing? not really.. we just like to give our listeners something a little extra that makes them smile when they open it up.

i not really supporting LP here.. they're ****. im just supporting CDs and artwork...

LP CDs do not have good artwork. I, at like the age of 8 or 9 like LP. All the packages were nothing new. Avant-Garde artists put out the best album artwork.

Biggest sell-outs?
 

(Yeah, I'm new here, hey what's up yadda yadda all that jazz)

What band do you think is the biggest sell-out in music history? I don't mean bands that are the most commercial and made the most money (3 Doors Down, for example, have recently made a commercial for the National Guard: I don't consider this selling-out because they never claimed to be doing anything but making money with their music, they never tried to be counterculture or indie). I'm thinking more along the lines of a band that made itself known within a specific subculture or with a specific style of music (alternative, grunge, emo, indie, and punk are the most common), and then latched onto more mainstream trends in order to become more successful, in the process compromising their original creativity.

The biggest one for me is Against Me!, which once made a documentary about how punk it was and how it would never sell-out, and has recently appeared, for example, on the cover of People magazine. Another candidate is The Quarrymen who, in the late 1950s, an English skiffle group that later abandoned their leather jackets, bar room concerts, and rockabilly-tinged pub rock and created a pop sound, eventually becoming The Beatles, arguably the most commercial rock band ever.

Of course, in the defense of The Beatles, they eventually abandoned those pop instincts to make music increasingly oriented towards the American underground and counterculture (see: The White Album).

I realize this is an old post but I feel like responding to it anyway just to point out a few things.

1. Saddle Creek affiliated themselves with Sony. Artists typically don't have any control over what they do and don't do.
2. I'm Wide Awake, It's Morning was just an expansion on Lifted but more folk rooted and less orchestrated and Digital Ash was very similar to Fevers & Mirrors.
3. Modest Mouse DID change their sound...like I don't even think I have to say anymore just because it's pretty apparent.

john mellencamp

Metallica most likely.

Although I agree with a lot said about LP.

How the hell does Linkin Park manage to sell out when they were pre-fabricated record company puppets right from the start?

I'd say Nickelback and Michael Bolton are the biggest sellouts. Starting out as the very pinnacles of innovation within their given genres, they stifled their creativity for years to come just in order to stay mainstream, safe and popular.

Nickelback haven't produced an artistic, creative masterpiece since The State (2001) and I doubt they'll ever reach those heights again. As for Michael Bolton, I can at least happily say that he's transcended industry expectations in his latest offering, Bolton Swings Sinatra. This offers at least a final ray of hope, a small beacon of light on a pitch-dark horizon, that Mike will produce a final Magnum Opus to match the ecstatic, sublime heights of Soul Provider (1989). I suggest anybody should check out his collaborative effort with Bob Dylan, on that very album.

:laughing:
haha his name always makes me laugh.


Sellouts?
Metallica I guess, but that should have changed hopefully now that the douche producer is gone.
Machine Head for a while, but then came back on track after they got off the Nu-metal band wagon.
Lost Prophets.