Comus

Mass appeal never makes me shy away from something, stuff like Pink Floyd and Led Zeppelin is incredibly popular but I love it.

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Rainard Jalen

I had been responding to the post quoted at the top. What you said is simply nonsense. For a start, just what is a "rewarding outcome" for heaven's sake? That's completely dependent upon who's listening. To me, being able to hear, admire and appreciate some of the most superbly crafted pop melodies, vocal arrangements and overall songs ever conceived does equate to a pretty damn "rewarding outcome". And comparing the Beatles to the typically bland mainstream pop artists of today? Say what? There's no likeness at all! Dude, if you don't find it rewarding, then to each his own, I've got no problem with that. But claiming that somehow it's inherently unrewarding in comparison to say Floyd of Led Zep is ludicrous.

And in response to anybody who cares to ridicule it, the early Beatles stuff was virtually always great, just not as realized as what came later on. The idea that it's a load of sugary bubblegum crap is utter BS. On the contrary, it's brilliant pop, characterized by extremely diverse influences. I think this very topic deserves a thread in and of itself - reckon I'll get to making one next week.

PaperHurricanesAndPlanes

I'm gonna side with Rainard on this one. And then hit Comus on the nose with a newspaper. "That's a bad Comus! No! Bad Comus!"

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Comus

You spew on and on about your own opinions yet when I state mine you continue to spew on and on about how it is different to your own and thus invalid.

I find the Beatles to be very bland and as do a lot of people, I find some music rewarding because it challenges and inspires, and also entertains, instead of giving a short term piece of pleasurable listening. A proper album or piece or song should continue to entertain once that first time novelty has worn off, there should be subtleties that you will be overjoyed at finding on the 100th listen instead the exact same beat, melody and lyrical undertones each time.

My first and second post you quoted Rainard were not related as such, I wasn't saying it is more rewarding specifically (although it is). At that point I was answering to another common criticism that pseudo intellectuals like to go on about how if something is popular it will become hated by certain people, I was mainly stating that I am of no such character.

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ProggyMan

Well the Beatles brand of pop sure hit harder than Linkin Park or whatever type of modern band you tryed to compare their early days to.

Comus

I'd never compare something as good as the beatles to linkin park. I'm talking pure pop, not something that pretends to be something else like LP.

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ProggyMan

I thought the Beatles early work had no redeeming qualities, and didn't offer any rewards.

Rainard Jalen

Firstly, whether or not that is true in the case of the Beatles is totally down to who is listening. I've personally never become board of listening to any of their albums, unless of course I listened like 50 times in a row or whatever, but who does that? That'd make me board of any damn album.

Secondly, even in cases where you do naturally find yourself getting tired of one album quicker than another, how does that make the other more "proper"? All it seems to mean to me, is that the albums accomplish different things. Like an experience I had last year: The National's "Boxer", I was able to listen to dozens of times and could happily listen again today, whereas GaGa... by Spoon, I loved, but couldn't listen any more after say 10 listens. With that said, I still think Ga Ga Ga Ga Ga is the better album. The reason its appeal has a shorter span is that it's more immediate music. I don't think there's any legitimacy to claiming that something more poppy and immediate is therefore not as proper as something built upon more depth. They're just *different* types of music, with entirely different aims and goals. They ought not even be compared.

Comus

Then you should stop comparing them.

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Rainard Jalen

That is, the genres should not be compared. It's totally senseless to say one genre is producing more proper music/albums than another. It makes more sense to speak in terms of immediacy, and to keep in mind the goals and aims of a particular type of music.