MB's greatest common factor (hardcore, indie, metal, pop, rock)

Comus · 02-05-2008, 06:40 PM

And my knowledge of Barclay James Harvest is very very limited. Also if we're going into obscure Capability Brown's 21 minute titan "Circumstances" is pretty awesome.

TheBig3 · 02-05-2008, 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Seltzer

Ah, that's definitely my favourite era - But I'm not sure what my favourite year of music is overall... it might not even be from that era.

Say what?

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Originally Posted by swim

liar.

'96 was the year for emo and mathrock. Good enough for me. Though the golden years of music never existed. You can pull hundreds of good albums out of every year.

/cite topic.

swim · 02-05-2008, 07:17 PM

I was just saying why '96 was my favorite year. My original comment started with a by the way. A side road, a tangent if you will. /cite forum name. Ah yes musicbanter. Crazy enough I was inducing music discussion. None of the albums I've mentioned have come out in '96. Nor were any of them math rock or emo. In fact I haven't even mentioned any of my favorite albums because I know most people don't like them. My suggestions were sincere as to what I've noticed people like here and I don't understand why people think that I'm taking from the cream of my tastes or whatever. I'm most definitely am not. And the statement which you've quoted implies that there's no such thing as glory period for music it's really dependent on what's significant to you.

edit:In An AEroplane of over the sea came out in '96 but really never was part of the reason why I love that year because I jsut found that out.

Comus · 02-05-2008, 07:49 PM

Thing is the comment was so ridiculous it had to be pointed out.

swim · 02-05-2008, 07:52 PM

Ridiculous? How so?

Big3 said people for the most part aren't partial to music that comes out when they're little. I said maybe I'm an exception but I'm well endowed in music of the 90s a decade where my age never touched double digits. And I added emphasis by saying '96 has the most music I like. Me saying '96 is the best year is no more ridiculous than you sweating '69-'75.

Comus · 02-05-2008, 08:01 PM

Firstly 1996 had like, three good black metal albums and a lot of **** that was a direct result of metallica and pantera's, as well as the post-grunge and hardcore movement, which unfortunately was not at all living up to it's ancestors. 1996 was not a good year for rock, nor was it a good year for progressive rock, nor was it a good year for metal, and of course, all other genres are crab by default. That's why it's ridiculous to claim that 96 was a good year.

It's basically like saying your favourite year for Cabernet is one where it tasted like watered down cats piss endowed with antifreeze.

swim · 02-05-2008, 08:10 PM

I already said it was the best year for emo and mathrock. Hardcore not living up to it's ancesters? Hardcore was forming tons of new sounds during the 90s and was as diverse as the genre has ever been.

Bob Tilton-Crescent
Don Martin Three-Fire As Metaphor
Rights Reserved-S/T
VA-I can't Live without it
Jawbox-S/T
Griver-S/T
Breakwater/Closure
Republic of Freedom Fighters-S/t
Griver/hellbender
Action Patrol-B is for Bombard
Bells on Trike-s/t, Best indiemo album ever.

Comus · 02-05-2008, 08:13 PM

Great (or even remotely good) hardcore started and ended with Black Flag and Dead Kennedys

swim · 02-05-2008, 08:21 PM

Early 80s hardcore is easily the worst hardcore there is. I mean I like it but it doesn't compare to Assay, Impetus Inter or Ettil Vrye.

sleepy jack · 02-05-2008, 10:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by swim

I already said it was the best year for emo and mathrock. Hardcore not living up to it's ancesters? Hardcore was forming tons of new sounds during the 90s and was as diverse as the genre has ever been.

Bob Tilton-Crescent
Don Martin Three-Fire As Metaphor
Rights Reserved-S/T
VA-I can't Live without it
Jawbox-S/T
Griver-S/T
Breakwater/Closure
Republic of Freedom Fighters-S/t
Griver/hellbender
Action Patrol-B is for Bombard
Bells on Trike-s/t, Best indiemo album ever.

+If You're Feeling Sinister
On the Avery Island
Odelay
Under the Bushes Under the Stars
Mic City Sons
Being There
The Normal Years
This is a Long Drive For Someone with Nothing to Think About
Millions Now Living Will Never Die
Murder Ballads
All the Nations Airports
Fuzzy Logic
Emperor Tomato Ketchup
Tigermilk
The Natural Bridge
Casanova
Beautiful Freak

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Originally Posted by TheBig3KilledMyRainDog

That was exactly my point. And it came off like posturing. Age has a few things to do with it.

I was born in 1982. I don't own many (if any) albums from that year, or the years around it, and have no desire to, regardless of how solid the album is, go back a lay down a slick $20 to grab up something I can get whenever. I think at a young age you aren't open to most things that have long since past and given the way CD run up against your wallet, i'd say that dropping $20 on a nirvana cd is a little much to ask.

And despite whatever arguments may arise, the album is great and because of that those wanting to distance themselves from the unwashed masses will deny to no end their love for it. Look back through these pages to see exactly what I mean.

If you seriously are suggesting that its a watered down album, then what you're going to end up doing to save face is conclude that these are all opinions that cannot be argued. But we've been down that road and I think if we're being reasonable, Nevermind is not your cup of tea, but is, by and large, a great album. Solid at the very least.

And I can't even blame swim alone for this, the money hungry journalists who are starved for something to write about brought up the carnage-fetish, B-side of Tattoo You loving heathens to write a contrary article to fill the pages of many a shill magazine (I'm looking at you Spin). When the "Ten years since Nevermind" hype ended and they needed to blow Nirvana some more i remamber one article being titled:

"Bollacks to Nevermind, Here's In Utero"

You can imagine that how the column went after a title like that. I certainly think there are some missteps on Nevermind, and I'd never say its perfect, nor do I listen to it on any sort of a regular basis, but I don't think its fair to say its sub par and above all else, it stands to be a heavy contender for oojay's original question.

The funny thing about this post is Kurt Cobain himself grew to hate Nevermind he even said it was just a good pop album but for his listening pleasures it was far too produced and slick. He even said In Utero was the album that he'd always wanted to achieve because it captured the noise in his head and he was very proud of it. He even fought pretty tooth and nail with his record company on keeping it in the original format (which I imagine was much more, well Albiniesque than what we hear) though he eventually lost. So yeah it's pretty safe to say that people were bashing Nevermind and praising In Utero long before you made some pointlessly long pretentious post based off an article you read.

P.S. its bullocks, but bullacks.

02-05-2008, 07:17 PM	#63 (permalink)
swim dontcareaboutyou Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: North Carolina Posts: 5,188	I was just saying why '96 was my favorite year. My original comment started with a by the way. A side road, a tangent if you will. /cite forum name. Ah yes musicbanter. Crazy enough I was inducing music discussion. None of the albums I've mentioned have come out in '96. Nor were any of them math rock or emo. In fact I haven't even mentioned any of my favorite albums because I know most people don't like them. My suggestions were sincere as to what I've noticed people like here and I don't understand why people think that I'm taking from the cream of my tastes or whatever. I'm most definitely am not. And the statement which you've quoted implies that there's no such thing as glory period for music it's really dependent on what's significant to you. edit:In An AEroplane of over the sea came out in '96 but really never was part of the reason why I love that year because I jsut found that out. __________________ http://nakednaps.bandcamp.com/

02-05-2008, 07:52 PM	#65 (permalink)
swim dontcareaboutyou Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: North Carolina Posts: 5,188	Ridiculous? How so? Big3 said people for the most part aren't partial to music that comes out when they're little. I said maybe I'm an exception but I'm well endowed in music of the 90s a decade where my age never touched double digits. And I added emphasis by saying '96 has the most music I like. Me saying '96 is the best year is no more ridiculous than you sweating '69-'75. __________________ http://nakednaps.bandcamp.com/

02-05-2008, 08:10 PM	#67 (permalink)
swim dontcareaboutyou Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: North Carolina Posts: 5,188	I already said it was the best year for emo and mathrock. Hardcore not living up to it's ancesters? Hardcore was forming tons of new sounds during the 90s and was as diverse as the genre has ever been. Bob Tilton-Crescent Don Martin Three-Fire As Metaphor Rights Reserved-S/T VA-I can't Live without it Jawbox-S/T Griver-S/T Breakwater/Closure Republic of Freedom Fighters-S/t Griver/hellbender Action Patrol-B is for Bombard Bells on Trike-s/t, Best indiemo album ever. __________________ http://nakednaps.bandcamp.com/

02-05-2008, 08:21 PM	#69 (permalink)
swim dontcareaboutyou Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: North Carolina Posts: 5,188	Early 80s hardcore is easily the worst hardcore there is. I mean I like it but it doesn't compare to Assay, Impetus Inter or Ettil Vrye. __________________ http://nakednaps.bandcamp.com/