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Rainard Jalen 04-21-2008 01:12 PM

Exactly. It's pretty straightforward. If you're writing 2 minute innocuous generic ditties the chances are you're not trying to make an impression on any art circles. And if you are writing 20 minute suites full of distortion, drones and feedback, the chances are you're not trying to break the charts!

mr dave 04-21-2008 03:29 PM


Originally Posted by Rainard Jalen (Post 472139)
Alright, instead of writing another 10,000 words I'll keep it simple and to the point (I mean that with no condescension at all). Then we can limit what we're discussing.

Here is the definition and distinction, and it's entirely sociological, not idealistic (as you may think I intend, but I don't).

Art: made in order to be recognized, acclaimed and well-received by critics and the wider art community.

This entails (obviously and most generally): trying to make something that will be deemed either innovative, clever or profound.

Craft: made in order to be recognized, loved and consumed by the mass market.

This entails (generally): sticking to a tried and tested generic formula, thus "playing it safe" in order to best secure being marketable.

THESE are the two basic opposite intentions. They do exist. They are a fact. Denying their existence is folly (I'm not claiming that you are).

Now of course these are two extremes, two polar opposites. There are always going to be cases that blur the line between the two. Some writers achieve a bit of both at the same time, whether in music, film or literature.

Dave, to make it absolutely clear, I'm not making a pompous argument here. I'm stating the case as it is. There's material that's made clearly with no intent to impress critics at all, but to sell (e.g. generic romance novels, porn movies, and yes, Nickelback!).

it's ALL good :thumb: mine differ but whatever. then again i'm also a firm believer that trying anything means you've already reserved yourself to failure. i guess i'm a yodaist

mr dave 04-21-2008 03:40 PM


Originally Posted by Urban Hatemonger (Post 472145)
I've never really understood this argument.
You should go into making music knowing full well you're going to lose money and that nobody owes you a penny.

Writing and rehearsing isn't hard work , it's a hobby and should be treated as such and that includes when it comes to spending money on it.
You want to make a record? that's fine just make sure you can afford it & don't bitch when people start pirating it over the internet.

Basically my opinion is if you want to share your artistic talent to the rest of the world be prepared to do it out of your own pocket & don't start crying when nobody's interested , You have your record you always wanted to make , that should make you happy enough.

i agree and i'm sure they would as well. but is it wrong for them to hope to break even with their venture?

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