There is a lot of great stuff in this scene. Unfortunately it is a case of digging beneath all the garbage that sits on the surface. Hip Hop is not a huge favourite of mine but when a band hit's it stays hit. Give these a listen:

Mos Def
Black Star
Surreal and The Sound Providers
Dalek
The Strange Fruit Project
Roots Manuva
A Tribe Called Quest
Busdriver
The Roots
MF Doom
De La Soul
Marxman
Sage Francis
Count Bass D
Public Enemy

and let me know how you get on.

Do you like anything by Coldplay? I thought their new album was pretty awesome. Probably their best stuff yet.


Thanks, I'll be sure to check some of these guys out. Isn't Public Enemy the group with Flavor Flav in it?

Don't judge them too harshly by him. Before Flavor Flav became the world's biggest prat he actually made some very decent music. Anything before 1995 is classic. Fear of a Black Planet, He Got Game, It Takes A Nation Of Millions To Hold Us Back, they're all great.

Make sure to check out The Beastie Boys too. They're often disregarded as hip-hop artists because they were musicians (good ones, too), but they were among the biggest pioneers.

Don't forget Madlib.

I love radiohead to pieces but I'd say i do overrate them...
they're human like all of us unfortunately

you're serious about Kanye?
do you even listen to hip hop?
hes a terrible rapper!!
break out the public enemy by god!

Have a listen to some Madvilian and raekwon

and well if you're willing to wade through all the horrible misogynistic thuggery of Wu-tang clan you'll find some pretty decent lo-fi hip hop and killer mcs in ODB Ghost face killah and RZA

Lol, because Wu-Tang is so Gangster. Have you even payed attention to their lyrics?

Agreed.

Wu-Tang isn't gangsta rap. Whatsoever.

I wasn't implying they were gangsta...just that if you disregard the bull**** (for example the intro to Method man) they make killer hip hop

There are very few hip-hop artists that keep the pace all the way through their albums. Wu-Tang is actually pretty good about it compared to other rappers. At least they don't fill out their albums with horrendous skits like so many others do. I think Wu-Tang Clan tries to keep the bull**** to a minimum. And I thought the intro to Method Man was funny. =/

What? They have one Classic album and it has skits galore...

Like what, precisely?

'Keep feeding you and feeding you' :rofl: wtf?

I'm not massively sure if they count as skits, half of them seem to be random conversations.
I wish the Wu solo albums would cut down on the skits too.

11. Kanye West

Most Overrated Album:
Most Overrated song:

I am going to break the form here because this topic is worn-out.

Kanye West speaks for himself

He has called himself "my favorite rapper"

He sucks, the music is catchy because it's a combination of a bunch of songs you already knew. Shortly after the first few listens people of intelligence tire of it.

Search the site and you'll find 100 arguments and video evidence for why he belongs at least this high on any over rated list.

Don't listen to either, but P Diddy is way cooler because he has that burger king commercial.

Reading pages about whether someone asked a question or answered a question gives me a headache. :banghead:

man i miss this thread...

haha same...

What happened with the other 10?

I totally forgot about this thread I'll finish it by the end of the month.

:nono:

i'm looking forward to the last ten though

We're still waiting (at least I am).

Agreed.

Actually his post Beatles music is quite good.

I like both of these guys.

I thought so too, but then I heard Exile on Main St. One of the greatest ****ing albums ever. Also, to be honest, Zeppelin doesn't deserve to be included in the same sentence as The Beatles, The Who and The Rolling Stones. I love Led Zeppelin but in terms of songwriting, The former three piss all over them.

Agreed even though I really like them.

Actually Bruce saved Rock and Roll from disco.

The Joshua Tree is a beautiful album.


I would add:

Syd Barrett
Sublime

Also I'm adding Lil Wayne. I'm tired about hearing how great you are at various things please shut the **** up.

agreed, i dont really know grateful dead though

no one really rates grateful dead that high so i'm surprised to see them up there

im still waiting as well...

Heres the thing, certain bands you mentioned, I agree, are overrated, yet some bands I hear about them being overrated more than I hear people build praise upon them.


Heres an example, you listed Nirvana (might I add I disagree entirely with your claims that they become another AIC or Soundgarden if Kurt didnt die. The difference is that Cobain not only was a FAR superior songwriter, but had a much more eclectic musical taste that showed through in his music, which I find often seperates him from those grunge bands that pandered to the classic rock Gods. Im not saying he was original, but at least when he ripped off bands they were somewhat underground and not as dated, as opposed to Soundgarden re-doing Black Sabbath with lamer riffs), back to the point, I hear more about Nirvana being overrated than people talking about how great they were. Almost every person I've met that likes indie hates them, same for punk, metal, new wave, etc. The only ones that do (besides me) are stupid high school kids that hate on rap and are too bored by classic rock, kids I don't even associate with. Yet if you ask me, they're a pretty good indie band that got put in the wrong place at the wrong time, which has severely tarnished what the true heart of the band is.


But what I mean is, everything that's "rated" is also considered "overrated", as long as theres just one person who doesn't hold a band/album in as high regards as another. So everything in the entire music industry since the dawn of time is both "overrated" and yet "underrated" at the same time.

i feel sorry for the guys who missed the nirvana arguement a few pages back...it was pretty fun

Dayum. I feel like a jackass when I post arguments afte they've been argued, but I never read through the entire thread to check if its more than 5 pages...never mind 28.

And also, MOAR!

if youre looking for a good laugh whogivesaflux was pretty funny circa pages 17-20

Nice referral fasho

Haha, I just read it, that guy was a douche. I was browsing his other posts, and he gets put in his place after insisting KMFDM invented Industrial music. I missed out on that lol-fest.

yeah those were some of my first days here when my posts actually had some quality haha

a thread about annoying n00bs we've had in the past would be pretty cool...

I think every aspect about the white stripes is meant for some reason or another. The fact that Meg plays "offbeat" is just an indication that they are real, and they are a blues band. Blues isn't always perfect. Otherwise it would be pop music. There needs to be some sort of imperfection and offbeat drumming is essential. Can you imagine how retarded and different the white stripes would be if say Neil pert were the drummer? It would be completely and utterly retarded.

Uh why did you bump this?

I really hate negative threads like this but it's up again so I guess I should give my two cents, I posted my opinions on this list before but since that was a while back I'll take a look at it again.

20. Radiohead: Like I've said before indie kids have made me want to hate this band sooooooooooo bad but I just can't. All of their albums after Pablo Honey are excellent, that's just the way it is.

19. Grateful Dead: Overrated as a live band, underrated as a studio band.

18. Snoop Dogg: Piss stain on hip hop? C'mon Lee, granted he probably does have more of a negative influence than positive but Doggystyle is a great record and he was also a big part of why The Chronic was so awesome. I don't know how people can not like the guy, I love his laid back flow. That being said he hasn't done anything that great after Doggystyle, he should team up with Dre again.

17. Coldplay: I think they're an average band with some great tunes to their credit. I don't think they are that overrated despite their mainstream success because a lot of people don't rate them that highly. They have their lovers and their haters and I'm rather indifferent to them myself.

16. The Doors: I like Jim Morrison as a singer and yes as a lyricist, it's pretty weaksauce when the example you cite for him being a bad lyricist wasn't even written by him. People always pick out the songs that were never meant to be serious. People forget that Morrison was a jokester and the humor in The Doors music is way too often overlooked. Maybe Jim is overrated in that I don't consider him one of the greatest poets of all time (but how many people REALLY believe that?), but the other members of the band are very underrated as musicians.

15. The Eagles: Nah, I like them and if anything they're one of the most unjustly hated bands of all time.

14. Garth Brooks: People still care about that guy? I wasn't aware of this.

13. John Lennon: Well he IS the greatest songwriter of all time so I gotta say no to this one. To say all of his post Beatles material is crap is mega wrong. Plastic Ono Band and Imagine are both excellent records, his songwriting on those is totally on par with his Beatles work. That being said everything after those two have ranged from decent to mediocre so maybe he is overrated as a solo artist in that he only had two great albums.

12. Eminem: Totally. He's a one trick pony ranting about the same stuff over and over, how much of a whore his mom is and how much Moby hurt his feelings. Enough already. He is a skilled rapper but I don't enjoy his music that much anymore, his beats are annoying.

11. Kanye West: How could he not be? This guy thinks he's gods gift to music, though he has some good stuff I guess, better than Lil Wayne anyway.

10. The Rolling Stones: Great band but still overrated, in that I don't think they are in the same league as the Beatles as their fans always cry, and they shouldn't be constanty rated above bands like The Who, Pink Floyd and Led Zeppelin, yeah they came first and they influenced them but that doesn't make them better. They plummeted to mediocrity after Goats Head Soup and never fully recovered for the next 30 or so years.

9. Nirvana: Depends, by critics yes but they have a whole lot of haters, and a lot of people who completely miss the point of their music. I still think they would be a hugely popular band today even if Kurt was still alive.

8. 2 Pac: I don't really care for him, he has some good stuff but overall I think he's one of the most overrated rappers and he doesn't compare to Biggie or Nas.

7. KISS: Yet another band that is hugely popular but not many people will admit to liking them. I think they were an average garage band who just got really lucky because they had a cool image. They do have some pretty good songs like Black Diamond and I'm Going Blind but overall there's a lot of superior bands of the same mold.

6. Dave Matthews Band: Not really, they have always been a niche band much like their heroes The Grateful Dead, they have their fans and yeah these fans can be annoying but it's not like I constantly hear from people how great they are, because I don't.

5. White Stripes: By the critics? Hell yeah. They're a fantastic group but Seven Nation Army does get played way too much and I'm not too fond of the garage rock revivalism movement they started. And hearing critics go on about how they saved rock music from nu metal gets really annoying.

4. Prince: Only when people say he's better than Michael. But he does have some legendary pop records to his credit.

3. Bruce Springsteen: Absolutely. He's someone I admire more than I actually enjoy listening to. I can appreciate the passion the guy puts into his music (if he's faking it he's really damn good at it), but he really is a guy who markets himself to a specific group of people and I'm not part of that group, maybe if I was a hard working blue collar man I'd like him more, who knows? I have nothing against his fans but I do despise how the critics put him on such a high pedestal.

His music is so bombastic and over the top, and when critics lash out against bands like Yes and Genesis for being pompous and self serious and then say Springsteen is rock n' roll when it's really wagnerian theater masquerading as rock n' roll it f*cking pisses me off, prog bands never gave a sh*t about being rock n' roll, why fault them for not being something they are not trying to be?

Contrary to popular belief, most prog bands had a sense of humor. More than Bruce anyway, Bruce takes himself very seriously and DOES want people to think he's rock n roll and he really isn't, surely I'm not the only person who realises this.

2. U2: Overrated by critics but very underrated on this forum. Everything from the last few paragraphs on Bruce also applies here, they are way more bombastic than any prog band could hope to be, but hey I like bombast, and I like U2, well up until their last 3 records, which are so crappy but the critics love them and continue to go on about how they are the best band in the world and for that they are certainly overrated but at the same time, annoying critics and Bono's smugness can't completely overshadow the fact that U2 have some great records to their credit.

1. Mariah Carey: I think the only people who are crazy about her are young undiscriminating pop fans, and people with a hard on for vocal chops. She is not overrated, no one rates her THAT highly and she's picked on by the media all the time. By pop standards I think she's decent, compared to many of the other pop divas out there at least she CAN sing.

After a while I'll make my own list. :D

We now have 2 threads.

The most overrated artists and the most overrated/underrated artists. Why not just use the newer one and let this thread die? Despite booboo's impressive list..

Nooo!!!!1111oneOneone11!!

Because if you look back this thread has actually created discussion/arguements. The other is just people listing, and a lot of times, giving no explanation.

Meh, w.e. They're both the same except this one was treated differently.. I just think the other one needs more discussion. Plus this is JUST overrated artists. The other one is underrated and overrated. So I prefer it. Just seemed a bit odd having two of the same.