It's just the way the music is written and the way it's played. The songs are more about hooks than most punk music. And the playing (and singing) is tight and very controlled, not loose and wild.

Oh my god, Poison is considered oldies now? Thanks for making me feel old. :p:

it just seems that, and I don't mean to offend anyone here, those who are categorized as punk are less skilled by this definition, either on purpose or not. Like they don't care if they sound good, or whatever...

and lol sorry :o:

There are many factors. Alot has to do with the attitude of the musicians, the generally brighter sound and the more positive lyrics. Check out these videos for three classifications of punk through the years:

Sex Pistols: Bodies

Punk started as rebelious music and as a reaction to the increasing amount of prog-rock in those days.

Altough Sex Pistols songs can be "brighter" than this one, their lyrics and attitude were very controversal in those days. They raised alot of hell.





Bad Brains: Banned in DC (watch all the way through)

Faster and more intense punk rock devoloped in the 1980's. It was still rebelious, but less intent on shaking the foundations of soceity and more focused on the music itself.





Green Day: American Idiot

Notice the fact that this is not only a music video (something most punk astists detest nowadays) but also the generally more polished sound. The lyrics could still be considered "punk".



Over the years, punk rock has become commercialised and slicked up. Performers like Avril Lavine (forgive my spelling) have been classified by the mass media as "punk".

With this rise came alot of (genuine) artists who got into the scene of slicker punk and thus: Pop Punk.

Nothing wrong with it at all.

These people have legit talent like everyone else.

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I think it's mostly because it was marketed. Overkill with radio play, and music videos. Where as non pop-punk was less mainstream, and more an epic band that didn't need music videos and money to keep them happy.

There's no need to take offense to the classification of "pop-punk". I mean, it really only means popular punk.

Most hardcore punk lovers don't like pop-punk because it's not as aggressive, or genuine.

Well, one of the core ideas of punk is that anyone can do it. So sure a lot of punk bands aren't filled with the world's most technically proficient musicians. And rawness is also a vital part of punk but don't let that fool you into thinking these people are not skilled musicians. A lot of 7 Seconds basslines are pretty sick for example. And Bad Brains, one of the bands Sonace linked to above, are proficient jazz and reggae musicians in addition to playing punk rock.

You are confusing "clean" with "good". Music doesn't have to sound clean to sound good.

I really wouldn't say that. Pop Punk artists rely on studio trickery alot of times.

Well, why wouldn't Sum 41, be classified as punk, their sound isn't always bright and colorful lol, or even Simple Plan for that matter.

I know for a fact that Deryck Whibley and the rest of Sum 41 was almost deported for their last album for being so controverseal. One of their music videos was even banned from either MTV or VH1

I know I sound like a fanboy, but I'm just trying to figure this out.

I did not know that, I thought Pop meant poppy as in like Britney Spears and NSYNC stuff...happy endings and heartache in every song...

right, well pop is really just popular shortened. like top 40 radio hits.

Yeah man. Pop is nothing to be ashamed about, these top 40 stations and Britney Spears and boy bands etc. are just one small part of the world of pop music.

Check out the beatles for some great pop.

Prog is basically progressive rock, arguably the most well known prog rock band is Pink Floyd you can find a wealth of stuff on youtube. That type of progressive rock is identified by often long guitar solos and symphonic melodies. Other bands to check into would be early Genesis, Jethro Tull and Yes.

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