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Originally Posted by boo boo (Post 569282)

Oh my god, I can't believe you, you really think you're fighting the system don't you? :laughing:

Also, not my favorite band.

First of all, i think you can believe me.

And it isn't a system. You felt the need to come in here and rant about how this thread and my opinion sucked because you liked a band. How egotistical is that?

And by the by, what bands that I enjoy don't get played on your stereo?

I love how Boo Boo is white knighting for Incubus. This thread delivers the lulz.

Also, my turn. I choose Rage Against The Machine. RATM managed to (dis)grace the radio waves for years without much complaining yet spawned lots of die hard followers. I, on the other hand, believe Rage Against The Machine to be one of the worst bands to ever exist. My reasons being...

1. Their music was half-assed radio safe no risks nu-metal. Rage Against The Machine played what everyone was playing at the time. Ultra generic guitar riffs, annoying rappy vocals, and simplistic beats that teetered between hip-hop and rock.

2. Zach De La Rocha had one of the worst voices I've ever heard. He sounded like he was dead centere of puberty and his constant angst filled whiny screams didn't make things better. He was also a notably bad rapper.

3. Tom Morello, while slightly innovative in the way he played leads, is a terrible guitarist. The way he over used pedals made the guitar sound very unnatural and not very guitar like. I get what he was going for but it honestly sounded like a guy who had no clue how to operate a synthesizer was getting terrible feedback.

4. The lyrics tried hard to be political but fell short of actually making any political statements. "ALL HELL CAN'T STOP US NOW!" isn't exactly impressing anyone, and it doesn't make you sound like a rebellious badass by any stretch. On the other end of the spectrum they had nonsense lines like "I give a shout at to the living dead who stood and watched the feds cold centralized" which has absolutely no meaning at all. Not to mention most of the songs were nothing more than childish slogan shouting. I don't imagine any other band will ever fail so hard lyrically.

5. Even when not failing at politics they failed at politics in real life with their super leftist hugs-n-kisses approach to politics. Being anti-capitalist is the same as being anti-freedom. If you're against allowing people to fail and succeed on their own merits get out of America, kthx.

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Originally Posted by The Unfan (Post 569335)

Wrong. Lest I remind you, this band's debut album was in 1993. Bands that mixed Helmet style riffs with hip hop and political lyrics was not a common thing.

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2. Zach De La Rocha had one of the worst voices I've ever heard. He sounded like he was dead centere of puberty and his constant angst filled whiny screams didn't make things better. He was also a notably bad rapper

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La Rocha's voice fits perfectly with the concept behind the band, which of course has a lot to do with, well, rage. La Rocha has the voice of a young, confused and angry individual. He suits the music perfectly. If you don't like the music that's fine, but he's hella effective at his style, beats the f*ck out of any nu metal vocalist by a long shot.

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3. Tom Morello, while slightly innovative in the way he played leads, is a terrible guitarist. The way he over used pedals made the guitar sound very unnatural and not very guitar like. I get what he was going for but it honestly sounded like a guy who had no clue how to operate a synthesizer was getting terrible feedback.

That's a horrible f*cking criticism. He's a bad guitarist because it dosen't sound like a guitar? That's just f*cking retarded, I'm sorry.

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4. The lyrics tried hard to be political but fell short of actually making any political statements. "ALL HELL CAN'T STOP US NOW!" isn't exactly impressing anyone, and it doesn't make you sound like a rebellious badass by any stretch. On the other end of the spectrum they had nonsense lines like "I give a shout at to the living dead who stood and watched the feds cold centralized" which has absolutely no meaning at all. Not to mention most of the songs were nothing more than childish slogan shouting. I don't imagine any other band will ever fail so hard lyrically.

You haven't read their lyrics I see, it's not just sloganeering, that's obvious to anyone that's heard at least one album by the band. I'm not saying theres any lyrical brilliance involved. But your criticisms here all seem to be strawmen, when you try to criticise something, you should at least admit the undeniable positive attributes about it and try to understand why people like it, as a Rage fan I can confidently say, you have no clue.

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5. Even when not failing at politics they failed at politics in real life with their super leftist hugs-n-kisses approach to politics. Being anti-capitalist is the same as being anti-freedom. If you're against allowing people to fail and succeed on their own merits get out of America, kthx.

I don't agree with their politics, I'm a civil libertarian. But that's just dumb.

I hate RATM as well but I think Unfan's assesment was dreadful. Rocha's vocals may be the worst there has ever been in history but Morello's guitar playing is quite interesting. They are very political, and actually mean it unlike Bono.

I hate them because they made either unlistenable or bland music. Their debut was alright though nothing brilliant.

I'd like to give a shout out to Bruce Springsteen, who's always irked me, but I've begun to develop a severe intolerance to his malignant songwriting. If you actually like him, ponder this:

1. Since the mid-1970s, he's been making the same generic music, and people REJOICED. There were critics who hailed him as the new face of rock n' roll, and after thirty years, he's been making the same goddamn songs over and over.

2. Springsteen is a mediocre guitarist, and he threatens to offend mediocrity itself by his inability to play, yet he somehow manages to draw comparisons to every other blues-based guitarist. I once read a Rolling Stone which compared no less than three Americana artists to the Boss.

3. Bruce Springsteen's solo albums are AWFUL. It is astounding to see how even die-hard Springsteen fans hate his solo work while they praise his work with the E Street Band. Doesn't really say much about his songwriting ability, does it?

4. Fuck New Jersey. Okay, so this might be tangent to the rant, but if you've ever been there (and you don't live there) you'll recognize it as one of the worst places in the United States. Dirty, crime-ridden and corrupt, New Jersey is a land mired in shit. Springsteen, naturally, spent enough of his life there to write most of his work about this shithole.

Springsteen is one of the biggest fails to grace music, and he's rarely recognized as such.

Blink 182... I don't feel like ranting about them but seriously... F*cking BLINK 182

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Originally Posted by dac (Post 569374)

Blink 182... I don't feel like ranting about them but seriously... F*cking BLINK 182

I used to have a strong hatred for Blink 182. I have a friend who used to obsess over them. He still likes them but his tastes have expanded. Now whenever he listens to Nickelback I tell him to put some Blink 182 on.

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Originally Posted by boo boo (Post 568637)

Incubus are one of my favorite modern bands.

And you know, a big problem I have with your criticisms Big3, is again, it says absolutely nothing about the music.

Now, as for not liking their music, that's understandable, but I'm tired of people that say a band sucks and then try to "prove" it by pointing out that god forbid, the frontman comes off as being a douchebag.

That's a good reason to hate a musician or band on a personal level, NOT a good reason to say they are bad or talentless.

They were never really a nu metal band, but you sport some dreadlocks and have a DJ, well yeah, I know why they got pigeonholed in that category.

To say Incubus are talentless is just plain wrong.

So what? Hoobastank actually are sh*tty, so why not go after them? Does any artist have any f*cking control over what they influence? That's always a lame reason to hate somebody. If it wasn't a lame reason, than REM are objectively one of the worst bands of all time.

So your hatred for the band stems from, their political views? If picking on one of my favorite bands wasn't enough, you somehow turn it into a rant about vegans and feminists, now I of course, hate vegans and feminists, but that's never stopped me from liking Incubus, let alone come across as a good reason to say someone sucks.

I've used the vegan thing before to describe by hate for Morrissey yes, but I've always made it clear that I really only hate him on a personal level (though his solo music is objectively horrible). I'm not gonna say The Smiths suck because their singer likes to be a Nazi about what he eats.

And please, don't target a band for being snobbish about their beliefs and then defend somebody like the f*cking Smiths, who also have one of the most elitist fan followings in the known world.

Well your friend obviously has no understanding of the word emo.

And Incubus never needed to save their career, there was no reason at all for them to change their sound after Make Yourself and Morning View did as well as they did, if anything, their change in sound after that point has alienated a lot of their fans.

Yeah, if people regarded talent according to kindness, John Lennon would be universally regarded as the worst artist of all time.

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Originally Posted by dac (Post 569374)

Blink 182... I don't feel like ranting about them but seriously... F*cking BLINK 182

this should be unacceptible.

You could have said "**** blink 182" in 900 other threads.

Come on man, you can do better than that.

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Originally Posted by mr. goth glam (Post 569383)

Yeah, if people regarded talent according to kindness, John Lennon would be universally regarded as the worst artist of all time.

Not to mention Hendrix, Morrison, Barrett, James Brown and well, f*ck it, the entire nation of Britain.