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WolfAtTheDoor 01-15-2009 04:55 PM

music's rotten tit
 
it struck me the other day when my girlfriend claimed that there is so much new music about today that without me, she wouldn't have a clue what she likes. It seems like a pretty passable quotation from a reasonably ill-informed girl, but it got me thinking - there is a LOT of new music about today, isn't there? it's ****ing mental

with the rise of myspace and all that business, everyone is picking up a guitar and becoming the next big thing. in fact, there aren't even any next big things these days. everyone knows that it's completely pointless getting too excited over a new band because they'll all release a good few demos up on myspace then release a **** album and then completely vanish.

it just seems like music has far excelled past the day where people could unite in the love of a band, the time where music completely influenced modern society and had the ability to change people. there's so much of it out there that rather than there being to embrace a particular movement with all of your friends beside you, the 'in it together' experience, all you have is one big musical jumble sale where everyone is taking a band each, enjoying them, and then disposing of them the next week.

walking arm in arm singing oasis song after oasis song, drinking to the stones, having a spliff with i wanna be adored banging on the background, in love with the stone roses so much that you feel like ian brown will come into the room and give you blowbacks any ****ing second.

music is growing beyond all expectations, it's impact is dying... what happens now?

The Unfan 01-15-2009 05:03 PM

People will get over themselves.

WolfAtTheDoor 01-15-2009 05:04 PM

i'm sorry i thought we were on a music discussion site

what would you like to talk about?

mr dave 01-15-2009 05:11 PM

3rd time in as many weeks:banghead:

gunnels 01-15-2009 05:25 PM

Music isn't about becoming the next big thing, and everyone worshipping todays biggest band.
It's as much as an artform as dancing, painting, and poetry.

Actually, poetry is a good thing to compare music to, as music is in itself, poetry with intruments.
Let's say your local misanthrope makes a poem, and he recites it at the local coffee joint. Some snap, some don't. Some connect with it, some are lost.
Some take it as a grandmother dying, some see it as a guy taking a dump in the street.
The poet doesn't care what kind of reaction he gets (although thats not to say that he doesn't appreciate a standing ovation), as the whole point of the poem was to express himself.
That following week, he practices and progresses in his artform and goes back in to recite at Milky's next week.

Music works the same way, it's a way to express your self and challenge your artistic abilities.

As for the music consumer, everyone liking the same band would be boring, as it would probably turn into one big fanboyism mush.
Instead, they find the occasional band thats makes their brow twitch. Thats not to say they should go on every forum on the web yelling how much they suck. Instead, they should consider that band a challenge, and find things they like about it, and discuss with friends. Find opinions, things you never noticed, lyrics you didn't get before, and talent you overlooked.

Thats what I think, anyway. :)

The Unfan 01-15-2009 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by gunnels (Post 579634)
Music isn't about becoming the next big thing

You are so naive.

Piss Me Off 01-16-2009 06:46 AM

That Part Chimp album is still blowing me away and i'm listening to the MB comp and it's the most ecclectic insane thing i've heard in quite a while.

Music's lost it's impact? Pah!

mr. goth glam 01-16-2009 08:41 AM

Music may have lost its ability to knock you on your ass for some, but I'm still very much like that, and it can be for something I love but haven't heard in ages or something I'm hearing for the very first time.

Dr_Rez 01-16-2009 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by WolfAtTheDoor (Post 579614)
it struck me the other day when my girlfriend claimed that there is so much new music about today that without me, she wouldn't have a clue what she likes. It seems like a pretty passable quotation from a reasonably ill-informed girl, but it got me thinking - there is a LOT of new music about today, isn't there? it's ****ing mental

with the rise of myspace and all that business, everyone is picking up a guitar and becoming the next big thing. in fact, there aren't even any next big things these days. everyone knows that it's completely pointless getting too excited over a new band because they'll all release a good few demos up on myspace then release a **** album and then completely vanish.

it just seems like music has far excelled past the day where people could unite in the love of a band, the time where music completely influenced modern society and had the ability to change people. there's so much of it out there that rather than there being to embrace a particular movement with all of your friends beside you, the 'in it together' experience, all you have is one big musical jumble sale where everyone is taking a band each, enjoying them, and then disposing of them the next week.

walking arm in arm singing oasis song after oasis song, drinking to the stones, having a spliff with i wanna be adored banging on the background, in love with the stone roses so much that you feel like ian brown will come into the room and give you blowbacks any ****ing second.

music is growing beyond all expectations, it's impact is dying... what happens now?

If you spend time and actually look for new and original music youll find theres actually more than ever in almost every genre. No its not as popular as before and not as accessible, but its most certainly there.

WolfAtTheDoor 01-19-2009 12:33 AM

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Originally Posted by RezZ (Post 580090)
If you spend time and actually look for new and original music youll find theres actually more than ever in almost every genre. No its not as popular as before and not as accessible, but its most certainly there.

no i realise that there is brilliant music still coming out, and that there is lots more of it, but i'm just saying that there is so much **** hitting the wall that nothing is actually sticking

Ace 01-19-2009 12:53 AM

I really like that post.
Brilliantly put, WolfAtTheDoor.

I often feel the exact same way.

mr dave 01-19-2009 02:56 AM

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Originally Posted by WolfAtTheDoor (Post 581383)
no i realise that there is brilliant music still coming out, and that there is lots more of it, but i'm just saying that there is so much **** hitting the wall that nothing is actually sticking

why does it need to stick?

WolfAtTheDoor 01-22-2009 06:20 AM

I'm just saying music seems to make much less of an impact on culture these days.

Gareth Brown 01-22-2009 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by WolfAtTheDoor (Post 583159)
I'm just saying music seems to make much less of an impact on culture these days.

So? Even if thats true who gives a ****? Just enjoy what you enjoy and be happy.

joyboyo53 01-22-2009 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by WolfAtTheDoor (Post 583159)
I'm just saying music seems to make much less of an impact on culture these days.

id say it has a very large effect, but due to the diversity out there today it is less uniform.

mr dave 01-22-2009 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by jgd85 (Post 583393)
id say it has a very large effect, but due to the diversity out there today it is less uniform.

i totally agree. the impact is there it's just spread out a lot farther and thinner. i get the feeling mainstream music is in limbo right now. the technology and mediums available for distribution make it so that it's pretty much impossible for any band to really have the impact of a group like nirvana (as the most recent, and for the foreseeable future final, example)

it's not that i think rock music has peaked or that my generation's poop was golden, but everything about how people handled music changed in the late 90s. i really don't see how a group would be able to have the same impact now as when tv and radio were not just the primary methods of exposure but the ONLY methods of exposure.

CalRog 01-22-2009 07:57 PM

Sounds like your listening to the wrong **** if you don't get that feeling anymore...
I mean you can totally find some small shows to feel musically united with fellow fans if thats what your into... i think maybe you just need to look harder dude. And i think you will find that there are quite a few bands "sticking"

WolfAtTheDoor 01-23-2009 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Gareth Brown (Post 583228)
So? Even if thats true who gives a ****? Just enjoy what you enjoy and be happy.

I'm sorry mr internet man...


and I agree with the above comments, that the diversity within music these days makes its impact upon modern society widely spread. However, I'd also say that this makes it a lot less exciting.

And for the record, I'm not saying that it makes the music itself less exciting, but the impact it has. As it is being spread on a wider scale, it is also thinning it out.

Wifey Boozer 01-23-2009 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by gunnels (Post 579634)
Music isn't about becoming the next big thing, and everyone worshipping todays biggest band.

It shouldn't be, but **** that one hears on the radio nowadays, even **** you don't hear on the radio, **** that's "underground" on "myspace", that's what it seems to be about, that's what the majority of airheads with earbuds in their ears are making it about. You know how many people own iPod shuffles with 1GB of music on them? They are selling these things smaller (in size - because I don't mean to say that the new ones are less GBs, PaperHurricanes bought me a 120 GB for Xmas<3, one of the new, bigger sized ones) in store, as a marketing technique... people are into "the smaller the better" nowadays. We've got the small-as-**** iPods, mp3s, ****in' cell phone's that plug into your ears (essentially), laptops will now be called knee-tops, goddamn Virginia Super-Super-Super Slim Thin Thins in a box that looks like an elongated square... but I digress. My apologies. Back to the music. They sell these things in store, shuffles, 1GB, as a marketing technique because it's cool, and it's tiny, and it looks cute. You're a teenage girl, you walk into the store, you've got 50 bucks on you, you want a new accessory that looks good when you've got the longest, thinnest cigarette known to man in your hand. Manufacturors (sp?) of mass musical devices, like iPods and mp3 players and the likes, do not care about the music any more. Does anybody in the business, really? Does any big label, really? It's the timeless question. If anyone's making money, why would they?

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It's as much as an artform as dancing, painting, and poetry.
It should be. It was. Rarely still is. Wish it was. I agree with Wolf that the bonding over music isn't there anymore. There's just so much there and so much new **** out and so much new **** to try, it's hard for anyone to have anything in common to bond over anymore. And that depresses me. The impact is there - it's just that the impact it's having is that with all the convenience of the new generation(s), we're breeding apathy. We're making a giant Franken**** and then complaining about it. But that being said, what can we really do? Nothing.

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Music works the same way, it's a way to express your self and challenge your artistic abilities.
It should be. But is it? Could we try and prove it? No, no we couldn't. It's all subjective. And what we also create in this generation, for the smarter portion of us, is great cynicism (which is not bad if used properly), so so much for that. No doubt some modern bands/groups/artists are like that, what with expressing themselves and challenging their abilities... hopefully most are, or I weep more for the future than I ever have before.

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As for the music consumer, everyone liking the same band would be boring, as it would probably turn into one big fanboyism mush.
Instead, they find the occasional band thats makes their brow twitch. Thats not to say they should go on every forum on the web yelling how much they suck. Instead, they should consider that band a challenge, and find things they like about it, and discuss with friends. Find opinions, things you never noticed, lyrics you didn't get before, and talent you overlooked.
I agree to the 10th degree, everyone liking the same thing would be boring. Though I don't think that was the original intention of the initial post... it's that no one's bonding anymore over anything, because there's just so much ****, and because there is, there's no impact, no time to let things settle and sink in. Everything's hyperactive. But for the most part, I agree with that paragraph there.


And by the way, I'm not picking on you :), I just saw your post as a great coversation stimulator for this particular thread. Kudos.

Gareth Brown 01-23-2009 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Wifey Boozer (Post 583760)
It shouldn't be, but **** that one hears on the radio nowadays, even **** you don't hear on the radio, **** that's "underground" on "myspace", that's what it seems to be about, that's what the majority of airheads with earbuds in their ears are making it about. You know how many people own iPod shuffles with 1GB of music on them? They are selling these things smaller (in size - because I don't mean to say that the new ones are less GBs, PaperHurricanes bought me a 120 GB for Xmas<3, one of the new, bigger sized ones) in store, as a marketing technique... people are into "the smaller the better" nowadays. We've got the small-as-**** iPods, mp3s, ****in' cell phone's that plug into your ears (essentially), laptops will now be called knee-tops, goddamn Virginia Super-Super-Super Slim Thin Thins in a box that looks like an elongated square... but I digress. My apologies. Back to the music. They sell these things in store, shuffles, 1GB, as a marketing technique because it's cool, and it's tiny, and it looks cute. You're a teenage girl, you walk into the store, you've got 50 bucks on you, you want a new accessory that looks good when you've got the longest, thinnest cigarette known to man in your hand. Manufacturors (sp?) of mass musical devices, like iPods and mp3 players and the likes, do not care about the music any more. Does anybody in the business, really? Does any big label, really? It's the timeless question. If anyone's making money, why would they?


It should be. It was. Rarely still is. Wish it was. I agree with Wolf that the bonding over music isn't there anymore. There's just so much there and so much new **** out and so much new **** to try, it's hard for anyone to have anything in common to bond over anymore. And that depresses me. The impact is there - it's just that the impact it's having is that with all the convenience of the new generation(s), we're breeding apathy. We're making a giant Franken**** and then complaining about it. But that being said, what can we really do? Nothing.


It should be. But is it? Could we try and prove it? No, no we couldn't. It's all subjective. And what we also create in this generation, for the smarter portion of us, is great cynicism (which is not bad if used properly), so so much for that. No doubt some modern bands/groups/artists are like that, what with expressing themselves and challenging their abilities... hopefully most are, or I weep more for the future than I ever have before.



I agree to the 10th degree, everyone liking the same thing would be boring. Though I don't think that was the original intention of the initial post... it's that no one's bonding anymore over anything, because there's just so much ****, and because there is, there's no impact, no time to let things settle and sink in. Everything's hyperactive. But for the most part, I agree with that paragraph there.


And by the way, I'm not picking on you :), I just saw your post as a great coversation stimulator for this particular thread. Kudos.

I dunno how someone could say so much and yet so little at the same time. Of course theres 'bonding' over music, the idea that there isn't is bull****, i love the fact that you've put that guys nonsense in your sig.

Wifey Boozer 01-23-2009 03:01 PM

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I dunno how someone could say so much and yet so little at the same time.
It's a living.


The original post, the way I interpreted it, conveyed that, with all the mass stuff being put out there lately not as much stuff, if any, seems to have any impact at all. I agree. I was contributing to the conversation, instead of posting a two line reply saying "I agree".


And I liked what he said. It's nostalgic. Personal preferance.

WolfAtTheDoor 01-24-2009 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Gareth Brown (Post 583776)
I dunno how someone could say so much and yet so little at the same time. Of course theres 'bonding' over music, the idea that there isn't is bull****, i love the fact that you've put that guys nonsense in your sig.

I'm curious, do you not believe that what I said is right? That the bonding over music is thinning out? Because in all honesty, I'd say that it is a fact that music today has a dramatically smaller impact. Using Oasis as an example again (because they were of my generation), when they headlined and sold out knebworth it was MASSIVE. Them battling against Blur for number one was also huge. You don't get that anymore. You get great music, sure, but you don't you don't get THAT.

Gareth Brown 01-24-2009 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by WolfAtTheDoor (Post 584171)
I'm curious, do you not believe that what I said is right? That the bonding over music is thinning out? Because in all honesty, I'd say that it is a fact that music today has a dramatically smaller impact. Using Oasis as an example again (because they were of my generation), when they headlined and sold out knebworth it was MASSIVE. Them battling against Blur for number one was also huge. You don't get that anymore. You get great music, sure, but you don't you don't get THAT.

Yeah and whats your point? Just because you don't have that ridiculous scale anymore doesn't mean people don't bond over music.

Piss Me Off 01-24-2009 11:45 AM

None of my friends like my taste in music but who cares? I have music forums and my own comfort in doing what i want so it doesn't bother me and it shouldn't.

Easily beats sitting in a field with a bunch of drunk Oasis fans by a long shot.

WolfAtTheDoor 01-24-2009 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Gareth Brown (Post 584175)
Yeah and whats your point? Just because you don't have that ridiculous scale anymore doesn't mean people don't bond over music.

You've completely gone and missed the point there havent you. I've never said that people do not bond over music anymore, I said that the bonding isnt as relevant as it once was. In my opinion, this is making a part of the music culture completely obsolete, which in turn is making part of musics impact on culture in general completely obsolete.

Molecules 01-24-2009 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Piss Me Off (Post 584178)
None of my friends like my taste in music but who cares? I have music forums and my own comfort in doing what i want so it doesn't bother me and it shouldn't.

Easily beats sitting in a field with a bunch of drunk Oasis fans by a long shot.

hear hear. And people still bond over music in droves with the aid of the same (taxed and illegal) social lubricants since time immemorial. it's not ideal when Coldplay can headline Glastonbury, the world's largest music festival, and cast it's voodoo-trance of mediocrity over happy mashed people but at least somebody's making money out of it eh?

lucifer_sam 01-24-2009 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Piss Me Off (Post 584178)
Easily beats sitting in a field with a bunch of drunk Oasis fans by a long shot.

I hear Wonderwall sounds different the 132nd time you play it.

Janszoon 01-24-2009 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by lucifer_sam (Post 584184)
I hear Wonderwall sounds different the 132nd time you play it.

It's true. The 132nd time you play it, it sounds like "Champagne Supernova".

Piss Me Off 01-24-2009 12:04 PM

You have to be on coke though.

Janszoon 01-24-2009 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Piss Me Off (Post 584187)
You have to be on coke though.

Yes, a lot of coke.

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