Does music have the capacity to change the world? (goth, quote)

lucifer_sam · 01-21-2009, 08:45 PM

...word.

Kevorkian Logic · 01-22-2009, 11:57 AM

Like Jackhammer said, it can change individual lives. Which I guess in turn can influence of other people's lives. But I do not believe that one band can change the world. One band can change a genre of music, but ultimately no band has the power to change the world. If a band could the government/crazy idealistic hippies would be using bands left and right to change the world.

twilexia · 01-23-2009, 07:05 PM

if by change you mean changing people's views of the world, then i'd say yes. there's good music and bad music, but there's those special kinds of music that just make you think.

yoboe · 01-23-2009, 07:07 PM

agreed, but bad music makes you think too

mannny · 01-23-2009, 07:58 PM

There was a great deal of music in the Soviet Union that challenged Stalin's formalism. Most notably, Shostakovich ran into some trouble in the USSR with one of his operas and one of his symphonies. It didn't necessarily change the world but it probably had an affect on what was happening in the Soviet Union.

4ZZZ · 01-23-2009, 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by mannny

There was a great deal of music in the Soviet Union that challenged Stalin's formalism. Most notably, Shostakovich ran into some trouble in the USSR with one of his operas and one of his symphonies. It didn't necessarily change the world but it probably had an affect on what was happening in the Soviet Union.

Yea I read that somewhere. What was the story of Stalin sitting there angry but the crowd giving a 40 minute encore. Reportedly saved Shostakovich's life.

Kill Dogma · 01-24-2009, 03:55 AM

We shuold be asking this: " how does the world change music?" Because music is the result of these changes.

Music is a way of "communicating" so to speak. A good composer is one who can allow the listener climb into the mind of the composer.

The world is made up of many things and music is just one of those things.

mannny · 01-24-2009, 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by 4ZZZ

Yea I read that somewhere. What was the story of Stalin sitting there angry but the crowd giving a 40 minute encore. Reportedly saved Shostakovich's life.

Yeah apparently he never finished his 4th symphony because it was too formalist - "the work was too interested in aspects of form, at the expense of simple, uplifting music that glorified the Soviet state." What a fun musical world to live in.

TheBig3 · 01-24-2009, 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by lucifer_sam

I've been grappling with this issue for a while now and I think the answer is rather ambiguous. I'd like to hear other people's views on the matter, because it's certainly a discussion worth hearing.

I'm not talking about within the music community; e.g. psychedelia on hippies, but a broader sense of music's influence on how the world revolves.

Are there any outstanding contributions to the world by musicians?

There isn't a consistency in most music to change anything, though there is plenty that should be considered "conservative" by its nature to remember fondly, tout values, and cement a way of life.

Music tends to be a 3:41 diatribe with a solo, or if its rap, just a "look how tough it is" ethos. The problem is they don't paint a picture of how things should be, they don't hammer it enough.

A song won't change policy. A philosophy can change a mind.

Artists are too busy changing their style and trying to be Beatles-esque to have anything of a consistent nature.

gunnels · 01-24-2009, 02:01 PM

Music festivals like LiveAID did some good.

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Kill Dogma Groupie Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: here and there Posts: 24	We shuold be asking this: " how does the world change music?" Because music is the result of these changes. Music is a way of "communicating" so to speak. A good composer is one who can allow the listener climb into the mind of the composer. The world is made up of many things and music is just one of those things. Last edited by Kill Dogma; 01-24-2009 at 10:04 AM.

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twilexia Groupie Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 5	if by change you mean changing people's views of the world, then i'd say yes. there's good music and bad music, but there's those special kinds of music that just make you think.

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