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Kamikazi Kat 02-16-2009 09:24 PM

Definition of Music?
 
What do you define as music?

For me, music really is impossible to make a concrete definition or rule of what makes things music. To me, its all up to the individual. If you think its music, then its music.

Surell 02-16-2009 09:33 PM

Scientific:

sounds that are deliberately used in a regular pattern.

Sneer 02-16-2009 09:50 PM

Sounds arranged in a time scale

gunnels 02-16-2009 09:53 PM

I learned in music theory that music is by definition, sound and silence.

Sneer 02-16-2009 09:58 PM

Elaborate upon that...

gunnels 02-16-2009 10:12 PM

Thats it.
Those were my words too.

Sneer 02-16-2009 10:24 PM

Ok... i dont follow that if i'm honest

Janszoon 02-16-2009 11:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gunnels (Post 597903)
I learned in music theory that music is by definition, sound and silence.

So is stand up comedy but I don't think that makes George Carlin a musician.

Molecules 02-16-2009 11:32 PM

self-expression by tone... i think that covers everything :p: *waits to be told he's wrong*

are 'music' and 'art' interchangeable though? You've got say 10 minutes of 'performed' silence by John Cage, you couldn't call that music but it's definitely an art exhibition

tore 02-17-2009 03:01 AM

^Wikipedia says that music is an art form whose medium is sound organized in time.

Makes more sense to me than sound and silence .. By the sound and silence definition, it sounds to me that music would be something that follows you every day that you can't escape, even if you lock yourself in a tomb or live a secluded life on the highest mountain top. Sounds nice and deep, but I don't get it.

mr dave 02-17-2009 03:14 AM

i consider music to be an immediate expression of the self through sound as controlled by the individual.

anything else is a song (or some other similar term)

it's like the difference between making love and ****ing.

tore 02-17-2009 03:17 AM

^But then a robot couldn't play music (unless you consider it an individual) .. it could only mimic it. :D

Take for example a program that generates melodies. That could not be music?

Janszoon 02-17-2009 03:24 AM

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Originally Posted by toretorden (Post 597988)
^But then a robot couldn't play music (unless you consider it an individual) .. it could only mimic it. :D

Take for example a program that generates melodies. That could not be music?

Good point. Also, foley work on a film's audio track could also be described as "an immediate expression of the self through sound as controlled by the individual" but I don't think anyone would call it music.

mr dave 02-17-2009 04:05 AM

robots and computer generated melodies left on their own are mimics to me. since they're originally programmed by individuals. :p:


as for the foley action. if amon tobin's latest was an example of what that would sound like i'm totally cool with it :laughing:

Janszoon 02-17-2009 04:08 AM

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Originally Posted by mr dave (Post 598005)
as for the foley action. if amon tobin's latest was an example of what that would sound like i'm totally cool with it :laughing:

Ha-ha. Great album, but you know what I'm talking about. The sound effects of footsteps and doors closing in the average movie are hardly something that would be considered music.

tore 02-17-2009 06:02 AM

^Aussie, those spam posts will get deleted and you will get banned for posting them. If anything, they will make less people go to your website because everyone here hates that kind of advertisement. So for our sake and your own, just don't.

mr dave 02-17-2009 05:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Janszoon (Post 598007)
Ha-ha. Great album, but you know what I'm talking about. The sound effects of footsteps and doors closing in the average movie are hardly something that would be considered music.

yeah true, but i thought this was about personal definitions of music hehe i'm still sticking with mine. when i play 'music' it's what i'm doing hehe.

music is very much a live / living thing for me, it only really exists in its moment. otherwise all you've got are memories or mimicries. not necessarily bad but not necessarily the same.

or at least that's how the dots connect in my head (or how the stars line up in my sky hahaha)

swim 02-17-2009 05:37 PM

BOOM BOOM BOOM BOOM BOOM BOOM BOOM BOOM BOOM BOOM BOOM BOOM BOOM BOOM BOOM BOOM BOOM BOOM BOOM BOOM BOOM BOOM BOOM BOOM BOOM BOOM BOOM BOOM BOOM BOOM BOOM BOOM BOOM BOOM BOOM BOOM BOOM BOOM BOOM BOOM BOOM BOOM BOOM BOOM

That's what music means to me.

Molecules 02-17-2009 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by swim (Post 598526)
BOOM BOOM BOOM BOOM BOOM BOOM BOOM BOOM BOOM BOOM BOOM BOOM BOOM BOOM BOOM BOOM BOOM BOOM BOOM BOOM BOOM BOOM BOOM BOOM BOOM BOOM BOOM BOOM BOOM BOOM BOOM BOOM BOOM BOOM BOOM BOOM BOOM BOOM BOOM BOOM BOOM BOOM BOOM BOOM

That's what music means to me.

thats the guns of war ringing in your ears

Farfisa 02-17-2009 05:47 PM

It's something that keeps me from giving up on life...

Surell 02-17-2009 07:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by toretorden (Post 597985)
^Wikipedia says that music is an art form whose medium is sound organized in time.

Makes more sense to me than sound and silence .. By the sound and silence definition, it sounds to me that music would be something that follows you every day that you can't escape, even if you lock yourself in a tomb or live a secluded life on the highest mountain top. Sounds nice and deep, but I don't get it.

That's why it's deep; only he gets it.

Urban Hat€monger ? 02-17-2009 07:58 PM

I don't really care what it is or how would you define it.

It's what it does that's important.

Surell 02-17-2009 08:01 PM

Now that's deep.

swim 02-17-2009 08:02 PM

That's what she said?

Surell 02-17-2009 08:41 PM

That's even deeper, and she said that too.

Yeah, this is what music's all about.

Molecules 02-18-2009 03:29 AM

raptorjesus would have a massive schlong for sure

R.Stevie Moore is the definition of music, true speak. If you know him you know what i mean

Surell 02-18-2009 07:42 PM

RJ's dick runs deep, so deep
So deep, put that ass to sleep.

The scientific form is so robotic and gives no emotion to music.

Janszoon 02-18-2009 08:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Urban Hatemonger (Post 598646)
I don't really care what it is or how would you define it.

It's what it does that's important.

Exactly. If it doesn't clean my bathroom or fold the laundry, it just isn't music.

lordolunch 02-18-2009 08:21 PM

sounds that make yur mood good or bad

BoopieJones 02-18-2009 08:42 PM

...how do you define music for deaf people?

Surell 02-18-2009 09:14 PM

Vibrations maybe.

ixtlan22 02-18-2009 10:11 PM

Vibration used as a form of expression. Maybe. (Include maybe in the definition).

tore 02-19-2009 02:35 AM

^So if I hit my thumb with a hammer and shout "****!", that's music to your ears? ;)

davidMC1982 02-19-2009 05:48 AM

Surely the intent is all that matters. I'm sure we can all agree that sound is a given. If I create sound with the intent of it being music, then music it is, regardless of how musical it may be. Similarly, if I speak with the intent of being comical, then comedy it is, regardless of how funny it may be.

Dave

jacklovezhimself 02-19-2009 10:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by toretorden (Post 599476)
^So if I hit my thumb with a hammer and shout "****!", that's music to your ears? ;)

he was talking about deaf people hearing vibrations in place of music.

ixtlan22 02-19-2009 10:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by toretorden (Post 599476)
^So if I hit my thumb with a hammer and shout "****!", that's music to your ears? ;)

I've heard some "music" with noises like that. I think its called workbenchcore.

Janszoon 02-19-2009 10:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by davidMC1982 (Post 599528)
Surely the intent is all that matters. I'm sure we can all agree that sound is a given. If I create sound with the intent of it being music, then music it is, regardless of how musical it may be. Similarly, if I speak with the intent of being comical, then comedy it is, regardless of how funny it may be.

I think this is my favorite definition so far.

Shoe 02-19-2009 08:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Janszoon (Post 599678)
I think this is my favorite definition so far.

Co-signed.

ganstapickle93 02-28-2009 10:28 PM

its patterns i think


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