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brenden_Winger 06-20-2009 01:10 AM

Good to Bad?
 
What's the deal with bands making certain albums that are near perfect, and then just...mehhh the rest of the way? Killers for example, and in my opinion Skillet-

Antonio 06-20-2009 01:24 AM

some bands lose momentum or just can't live up to the hype. :/

Final_Victim 06-20-2009 01:58 AM

Most bands do this along the way.

The Abominable Homan 06-20-2009 08:28 AM

Snoop Dogg will never make anything nearly as good as Doggystyle. :(

Rickenbacker 06-20-2009 08:39 AM

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Originally Posted by The Abominable Homan (Post 686664)
Snoop Dogg will never make anything nearly as good as Doggystyle. :(

Nuthin' But a G Thang...

Arya Stark 06-20-2009 08:53 AM

Truthfully, we can't expect people to stay the same throughout their entire lives.

People grow up, think different things, write different music.
As much as the fans are disppointed, it makes sense.

And fans should be paying attention to things like this.

The Abominable Homan 06-20-2009 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Rickenbacker (Post 686670)
Nuthin' But a G Thang...

A Dre song, but close enough.

sidewinder 06-20-2009 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by The Abominable Homan (Post 686664)
Snoop Dogg will never make anything nearly as good as Doggystyle. :(

That's for damn sure.

Kool_Dude_HaMeR 06-20-2009 03:43 PM

some bands are just shit:


Arya Stark 06-20-2009 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Kool_Dude_HaMeR (Post 686834)
some bands are just shit:


That's not even relevant.

mr dave 06-20-2009 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by brenden_Winger (Post 686536)
What's the deal with bands making certain albums that are near perfect, and then just...mehhh the rest of the way? Killers for example, and in my opinion Skillet-

it's called the 'sophmore slump'. the bulk of bands that come out with a fantastic debut album have a hard time living up to their initial success. it's a combination of multiple factors usually ego, and social pressure.

sweet_nothing 06-20-2009 04:27 PM

I would relate Bloc Party to this. Silent Alarm was great but like the Killers their last albums have slowly gotten worse.

Farfisa 06-20-2009 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by sweet_nothing (Post 686866)
I would relate Bloc Party to this. Silent Alarm was great but like the Killers their last albums have slowly gotten worse.

I had a feeling that someone would mention Bloc Party...

Antonio 06-20-2009 04:44 PM

inb4 Guns 'N' Roses

mr dave 06-20-2009 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Antonio (Post 686869)
inb4 Guns 'N' Roses

aside from the fact that "lies" came out after "appetite for destruction", and was hugely successful (you might have heard a little ditty called 'patience')

on top of that it could easily be argued that combining "use your illusions" (which is way easier in the age of digital music) into one album's worth of material would result in another great album.

after all that (and the millions of sales those 4 albums collected) yeah they went to sh!t with "the spaghetti incident", although i'm pretty sure "chinese democracy" would have been successful and received positively had it been released 10 years ago.

i'm just razzing you :p:



or maybe i'm missing the point of the thread, every band goes to crap eventually. i thought this was about bands that released 1 great debut album then never came close again.

Antonio 06-20-2009 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by mr dave (Post 687059)
aside from the fact that "lies" came out after "appetite for destruction", and was hugely successful (you might have heard a little ditty called 'patience')

on top of that it could easily be argued that combining "use your illusions" (which is way easier in the age of digital music) into one album's worth of material would result in another great album.

after all that (and the millions of sales those 4 albums collected) yeah they went to sh!t with "the spaghetti incident", although i'm pretty sure "chinese democracy" would have been successful and received positively had it been released 10 years ago.

i'm just razzing you :p:



or maybe i'm missing the point of the thread, every band goes to crap eventually. i thought this was about bands that released 1 great debut album then never came close again.

yeah, i knew that, but i didn't mean their first album was followed by abject failiure. just that, like you said, they had many good releases, but they went to crap eventually.


as for the point of this thread, i see it as bands who do have multiple good releases, (i.e. Gun's N Roses), but then fail to live up to that again

FaSho 06-20-2009 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by AwwSugar (Post 686835)
That's not even relevant.

No...but it was funny. :D

Anyway, I think in many cases bands grow and their albums get progressivley...not better per say...but more mature.
Ex. Brand New

SATCHMO 07-14-2009 02:21 AM

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Originally Posted by mr dave (Post 686847)
it's called the 'sophmore slump'. the bulk of bands that come out with a fantastic debut album have a hard time living up to their initial success. it's a combination of multiple factors usually ego, and social pressure.

There is also the possibility that not all musicians are cut out for a lifetime of creative output. Some bands/artists really only have one good album inside of em'. We're conditioned to believe that if you are lucky enough to "make it big", then its necessary to try to prolong that trajectory by being prolific (record contracts kinda' ensure it), but come on, would you rather have one spectacular album that shines on its own, or one spectacular album that recants its own greatness because of the subsequent obligatory rubbish that came after it?

boo boo 07-14-2009 07:18 AM

I thought the Use Your Illusion albums were great personally.

Spaghetti Incident was pretty sh*tacular though.

dac 07-14-2009 10:23 AM

The Strokes, anyone?

boo boo 07-14-2009 10:41 AM

Never heard of them.

lucifer_sam 07-14-2009 10:52 AM

i'm still trying to figure out if this is a serious thread or not. since when do bands break up because they're tired of producing good music?

BTown 07-14-2009 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by lucifer_sam (Post 703405)
i'm still trying to figure out if this is a serious thread or not. since when do bands break up because they're tired of producing good music?

Well some members might not classify the music they are making as good music, most of the time they'll just break up due to creative differences.
But anyway but yea, this usually happens with not only music but with movies and T.V. show seasons
Like Rocky, what the hell have they done to him...
But yeah, Weezer and Greenday really went down the wrong road.

Zer0 07-14-2009 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by dac (Post 703384)
The Strokes, anyone?

Probably yeah. Is This It? still kicks ass, although Room On Fire was a good album it couldn't match their debut. Their 3rd album was meh.

The best example from this decade is Hundred Reasons. Their debut album Ideas Above Our Station is a classic, but everything they've released after that is enough to send you to sleep...

asshat 07-14-2009 02:35 PM

Blue Cheer released vincebus eruptum and inside/outside, then turned into a more mediocre steppenwolf.

Bulldog 07-14-2009 02:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mr dave (Post 686847)
it's called the 'sophmore slump'. the bulk of bands that come out with a fantastic debut album have a hard time living up to their initial success. it's a combination of multiple factors usually ego, and social pressure.

I thought Room On Fire was their best to be honest. The third one was rubbish though.

Another good example is the Coral - brilliant debut, the followup was a mixed bag and for some reason they decided to get more and more boring from there.

clarksided 07-14-2009 02:53 PM

Death From Above 1979 suffered from this to the extreme.

boo boo 07-14-2009 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by asshat (Post 703560)
Blue Cheer released vincebus eruptum and inside/outside, then turned into a more mediocre steppenwolf.

Yeah, Blue Cheer were one of those bands that had one fantastic album and just disappeared completely.

asshat 07-14-2009 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by boo boo (Post 703583)
Yeah, Blue Cheer were one of those bands that had one fantastic album and just disappeared completely.


they still tour constantly, and ****ie peterson is still pretty badass. As far as studio albums they only got those two though.

...while I'm here, I'll throw cheap tricks first three records into the mix.


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