While I wish it was the trip hop decade, it most definitely wasn't. That would be the 90's for sure. If you wanna argue it's influence on the decade go ahead, but that would belong in a different thread.

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I was only agreeing with what Mr. Dave said
but added the exception of a few bands the early 80's, (I was thinking of the New Wave and post Punk guitar bands as the exception.) There wasn't too much at all on the Pop charts and on MTV in the 80's to brag about anyway, I think that the decade became progressively worse as it went on - musicwise.
Maybe I should had said: 'I agree you Mr. Dave that if only the 80's never happened but with the exception of the undgerground post punk guitar rock band scene that was happening on college radio, and btw The Pop music scene after '83/'84 was a total bust, but maybe with a few exception before and afterwards.'

So I stand corrected then.
I just noticed that most of the bands of this decade, that we call "indie", are just merging trip-hop into their music while keeping the indie tag.

Well, all the things that I can find for the 00s seem like they already began in the 90s.

Really? I completely disagree with that. Of course not too much downtempo and trip hop has become well known, but I really disagree that there are very few instrumental trip hop and questionable downtempo stuff. There's loads if you're willing to search for it. I'm not arguing that this is the era of trip-hop, of course very few albums received much popularity, just that there is loads and loads of the stuff. More than you'd know what to do with.

Well, it looks to me like he was being sarcastic but even if he wasn't I still think you were making a fairly ridiculous statement that sounds like it's coming from someone who doesn't know what they're talking about. Dismissing an entire decade like that just reeks of a lack of knowledge.

Oh I know, I'm well aware of it and have searched for it. When I first said there are very few albums that fit the category, I was mainly referring to trip-hop. I then went on to include instrumental hip-hop and downtempo, so yeah that expands it quite a bit . But just trip-hop itself...there may be a lot to those of us that are into it, but in the grand scheme of all recorded music in the decade, I'd say it's a small percentage.

He was doing the dismissing of the whole decade I was only making exceptions to his dismissal - and that makes me not know what I'm talking about?? I don't get it. I mentioned my exceptions, and I don't see where your compulsion to insult me comes from, except for the fact that what I liked from that era was the "alternative" music (then) that was underground and wasn't mainstream at the time, I'm sorry I don't care much about Michael Jackson and Madonna Ciccone, Hair Metal and Rap that was big in the mid/late 80's. :eek: I'm sorry if I don't have any knowlegde of The Pop Charts after the mid 80's. :yikes:

I'm not the only one who doesn't care much for MTV and the effect it had on music in the 80's. Frank Zappa critized the music industry, eg the paying for videos to get exposed etc. Henry Rollins (in a Rock doc) said nothing (or hardly anything) happened in the late 80's not until Grunge happen in the early 90's.

which is still complete and utter bullshit. grunge happening in the early '90s was a byproduct of the burgeoning late-80s indie rock scene (as opposed to the garbage 'alt rock' that permeated the '90s). if anything i'd say the late '80s was stronger than anything that succeeded on its laurels. Henry Rollins can say whatever he wants, he hasn't done shit worth recognition since 1986.

Ironicly you've proven my point about the latter part of the 80's.

Listen, when I said the 80's were a bust I was just trying to agree with Mr Dave but I said it in my own way, and I was talking about the Pop Charts (with a few exceptions). The bands I like from the 70's almost all of them were considered underground. When the 80's rolled around and all the superstars of the 70's Disco & The Bee Gees were faded out they created a vacuum filled by newer artist and in turn they were replaced by more veteran artist, groups like The Clash, Genesis, Peter Gabriel, Steve Winwood, The Police, The Cars, Talking Heads, Bruce Springsteen, & Yes. They had hits on MTV and made it into the charts in the 80's but their songs were more popular, more polished and to me wasn't the same cutting-edge as the stuff from their early years (& lean years.)

When you hear Grunge you hear late 80's. When I hear Grunge I hear a blend of different things, anything from early 70's like Led Zeppelin to early 80's like college radio stuff. I think Rollins said the definition of Grunge was music by Rock bands who like Punk. Just like today were Post-Punk Revival posts are delving into the past and taking inspiration from anything from '77 to circa '83, which is like a 30+ years difference. Some bands even draw from Pub Rock and proto-Punk for their inspiration. Grunge in the early 90's delved into the 70's music (& 80's) for their inspiration.

i'm still pretty much stuck in the "shred" era

Although this was a resurrected thread, I might as well post in it while it's on the front page.

To all you who said "I wish the 80's never happened."

...WHAT.

Sooooo many good bands! I mean, of COURSE the mainstream stuff sucked! It almost always has and almost always will! YES the bazillions of hair bands who called themselves "metal" and the synth pop bands popping up everywhere got old! But what about...

Heavy metal! (early)
Thrash metal! (late)
Alternative!
Hardcore punk! (ye gods the hardcore punk)
Post-punk!
Gothic rock! (Bela Lugosi's dead, ya'll)
...And a truck load of other good stuff!

Seriously, just because what is popular (subjectively) sucks, does not mean that an ENTIRE ERA of music can be written off.

And today is no exception. Yes, most everything popular today is awful. But there are a bunch of bands in the underground, and even more starting to become popular, that are showing that new music doesn't have to be boring, dull, and uninspired. It can be passionate, exciting, and NEW.

And that's my two cents.

Pretty sure the 00s were the "age of emos".

As everyone has said, there's a million reasons why what you're saying isn't true/is just an illusion.

Janszoon made a good point about how "bad" music has always sold well.

anticipation also made a good point about how an era is normally only defined after it's passed.

That's only on the first page.

The other thing I would point out is the internet. The internet gives more people access to more music more easily than ever before in music history. This has lead to a huge diversification and growth of underground music.

Don't get caught up with what's on the radio and your TV. Just listen to whatever makes you happy and get on with your pathetically awesome life.

Why do you miss out singer-songwriter from the 70s? Disco too of course.

I much prefer the 2000s to the 90s all kinds of music including some good pop music (though much of that hidden away by people under the label 'indie').

^^I don't much agree - there is still very good music out there, you just have to separate the wheat from the chaff

The first bird sang, and he sang beautifully. The pinnacle of musical expression.

Nothing else needs to exist.

That was... *tear*... beautiful...

Thanks, I write for Pitchfork

Mainstream did not suck, particularly in the first half of the 80s. Anyone who ignores the pop-dance stuff, which most of the pop stuff was then, is ignoring most of the 80s. I know rock critics do that but they have their own agenda.


The 2000s I think was more about indie and ambient by the end, with an emphasis on smooth sounding music in vocals and production.

True. For me the 60s and 80s are much brighter music eras full of pop music. The 70s and 90s were darker and even more serious, the 70s far superior I think with much variety. The 2000s is more a return again towards pop (though people now call it indie).

Nah, I've always thought of the 80's as the worst music era since the 40's.
The best bands from the 80's formed in the 70's ;D

I would agree, except that I completely disagree. :p:

I'm sure you do.
I really really really dislike the eighties.
Well, the music that is.

Even if you don't like the 80s you have to admit it was better than the 90s.

I would say there's no decade of music that I dislike, but many of my favorite bands are from the 80s.

Hmmm, I don't think I have much albums from bands that are from the eighties. I think you can count them on one hand.

Well music perhaps isn't just about albums, it's about singles as well. Maybe American music wasn't as great as in the 70s and 60s but there was still some good stuff and certainly other places didn't slow down at all in the 80s.

I'm not in America. And... well... I don't think so :)

Well I mentioned America as some may wish to come to it from that perspective because of the strong influence of music from there in the past (whatever nationality someone might be).

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Just to add to the above - many of my favorite bands from the 80s are American.

I used to be a devout proponent of the 80s, saying it was my favourite decade. Nowadays, I'm less inclined to choose a "favourite" decade - the more music you're exposed to, the more you realize that every decade (since the 50s at least) has a plethora of excellent stuff. It's hard to pick a favourite.

Meh, I kinda disagree. I've actually never met anyone who was into indie rock in my area except maybe at my college. Most people at least in my area in the 00s listened to hip hop/R&B/reggaeton, as well as screamo, pop punk, and metalcore/hardcore/deathcore. Occasionally, I'd run into hop topic mallgoths who were into nu metal, industrial, and bands like Cradle of Filth, and even the occasional metalhead who was into Lamb of God, Devildriver, and Chimaira, but indie was never really that popular, at least where I live, yet again, maybe it was more popular in suburban areas, but seeing as how I live in an extremely urban area, I've never really seen it. Oh yeah, and also stupid ICP worshipping juggalos were pretty common in my area.

I still think there's era's... As I said in a previous post, I believe that Electro has taking the for-front for most genres right now, but in time this may be looked at as an "Era" as well... Since we are in that "Era" and it is catchy right now, its tough to put a label on us... I can most certainly tell the difference between tracks released in 2000, and tracks released now though

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We are in the era of people that can't sing who are pitch controlled electronically.

Kanye West...

Eras not era's.

Well, the non-vocal parts of Drunk N' Hot Girls were amazing. Kanye must be a creative genius for coming up with that really original melody...

I think the 2000's and the 10's can't be classified into an era. with the rise of the internet, pretty much everybody can access albums that are not a part of the mainstream. I think we're all just stuck in a cultural mish-mash of everything where there are no real ways to classify these years.

but now that I think about it, this probably isn't the right answer but it's the best answer I can give.

It's right on the money, and I largely consider that a good thing.

Ditto.

I think the right answer is that we won't know what era the 00's were until another 10 years or so when we look back on it and see how much the times have changed. It's still far too early to define the 00's musically.