While I wish it was the trip hop decade, it most definitely wasn't. That would be the 90's for sure. If you wanna argue it's influence on the decade go ahead, but that would belong in a different thread.

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I was only agreeing with what Mr. Dave said
but added the exception of a few bands the early 80's, (I was thinking of the New Wave and post Punk guitar bands as the exception.) There wasn't too much at all on the Pop charts and on MTV in the 80's to brag about anyway, I think that the decade became progressively worse as it went on - musicwise.
Maybe I should had said: 'I agree you Mr. Dave that if only the 80's never happened but with the exception of the undgerground post punk guitar rock band scene that was happening on college radio, and btw The Pop music scene after '83/'84 was a total bust, but maybe with a few exception before and afterwards.'

So I stand corrected then.
I just noticed that most of the bands of this decade, that we call "indie", are just merging trip-hop into their music while keeping the indie tag.

Well, all the things that I can find for the 00s seem like they already began in the 90s.

Really? I completely disagree with that. Of course not too much downtempo and trip hop has become well known, but I really disagree that there are very few instrumental trip hop and questionable downtempo stuff. There's loads if you're willing to search for it. I'm not arguing that this is the era of trip-hop, of course very few albums received much popularity, just that there is loads and loads of the stuff. More than you'd know what to do with.

Well, it looks to me like he was being sarcastic but even if he wasn't I still think you were making a fairly ridiculous statement that sounds like it's coming from someone who doesn't know what they're talking about. Dismissing an entire decade like that just reeks of a lack of knowledge.

Oh I know, I'm well aware of it and have searched for it. When I first said there are very few albums that fit the category, I was mainly referring to trip-hop. I then went on to include instrumental hip-hop and downtempo, so yeah that expands it quite a bit . But just trip-hop itself...there may be a lot to those of us that are into it, but in the grand scheme of all recorded music in the decade, I'd say it's a small percentage.

He was doing the dismissing of the whole decade I was only making exceptions to his dismissal - and that makes me not know what I'm talking about?? I don't get it. I mentioned my exceptions, and I don't see where your compulsion to insult me comes from, except for the fact that what I liked from that era was the "alternative" music (then) that was underground and wasn't mainstream at the time, I'm sorry I don't care much about Michael Jackson and Madonna Ciccone, Hair Metal and Rap that was big in the mid/late 80's. :eek: I'm sorry if I don't have any knowlegde of The Pop Charts after the mid 80's. :yikes:

I'm not the only one who doesn't care much for MTV and the effect it had on music in the 80's. Frank Zappa critized the music industry, eg the paying for videos to get exposed etc. Henry Rollins (in a Rock doc) said nothing (or hardly anything) happened in the late 80's not until Grunge happen in the early 90's.

which is still complete and utter bullshit. grunge happening in the early '90s was a byproduct of the burgeoning late-80s indie rock scene (as opposed to the garbage 'alt rock' that permeated the '90s). if anything i'd say the late '80s was stronger than anything that succeeded on its laurels. Henry Rollins can say whatever he wants, he hasn't done shit worth recognition since 1986.

Ironicly you've proven my point about the latter part of the 80's.

Listen, when I said the 80's were a bust I was just trying to agree with Mr Dave but I said it in my own way, and I was talking about the Pop Charts (with a few exceptions). The bands I like from the 70's almost all of them were considered underground. When the 80's rolled around and all the superstars of the 70's Disco & The Bee Gees were faded out they created a vacuum filled by newer artist and in turn they were replaced by more veteran artist, groups like The Clash, Genesis, Peter Gabriel, Steve Winwood, The Police, The Cars, Talking Heads, Bruce Springsteen, & Yes. They had hits on MTV and made it into the charts in the 80's but their songs were more popular, more polished and to me wasn't the same cutting-edge as the stuff from their early years (& lean years.)

When you hear Grunge you hear late 80's. When I hear Grunge I hear a blend of different things, anything from early 70's like Led Zeppelin to early 80's like college radio stuff. I think Rollins said the definition of Grunge was music by Rock bands who like Punk. Just like today were Post-Punk Revival posts are delving into the past and taking inspiration from anything from '77 to circa '83, which is like a 30+ years difference. Some bands even draw from Pub Rock and proto-Punk for their inspiration. Grunge in the early 90's delved into the 70's music (& 80's) for their inspiration.

i'm still pretty much stuck in the "shred" era