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Fruitonica 12-31-2009 10:26 PM

Actually I should mention The Herd. They're a great Australian hip hop group with a strong focus on politics and society, it helps that they're songs align with my general political stance.


Ilistentomusic 01-01-2010 08:07 AM

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Originally Posted by proto-punk (Post 780183)
Dead kennedy's!

I was wondering if somebody was going to say that. The name of the band itself is a protest that goes right to the heart of American government & civilization.

loveissucide 01-01-2010 08:09 AM

Gang Of Four hands down.

Public Enemy,The Specials and The Clash merit honourable mentions.

Neapolitan 01-01-2010 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Ilistentomusic (Post 792711)
I was wondering if somebody was going to say that. The name of the band itself is a protest that goes right to the heart of American government & civilization.

Lt. Joseph P. Kennedy gave his life defending England (UK) in WWII. John, and Robert Kennedy gave their lives serving their country what is there to protest?

Ilistentomusic 01-01-2010 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Neapolitan (Post 792747)
Lt. Joseph P. Kennedy gave his life defending England (UK) in WWII. John, and Robert Kennedy gave their lives serving their country what is there to protest?

I have always taken the name as a veiled reference to the fact that it was the CIA (our own government or rogue element thereof) that was behind the assassinations of JFK and RFK (as opposed to the "lone nut" cover stories). When you look at the name of the band through that lens, you see the kind of statement they were trying to make.

loveissucide 01-01-2010 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Neapolitan (Post 792747)
Lt. Joseph P. Kennedy gave his life defending England (UK) in WWII. John, and Robert Kennedy gave their lives serving their country what is there to protest?

The gangsterism, the Camelot myth of a ruling elite,Vietnam, US foreign policy in general, the fact they were awful people running the show.

Neapolitan 01-01-2010 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by loveissucide (Post 792981)
The gangsterism, the Camelot myth of a ruling elite, Vietnam, US foreign policy in general, the fact they were awful people running the show.

Wow you are really harsh on the Irish-Americans.

US foreign policy - that's the government and the oligarchy, the rich businessmen, who run America.

To me Joseph Kennedy is a was hero in his own right. I never found fault with Robert Kennedy, he was gun down in cold blood. OK JFK had some faults but I can't say that he caused the Viet Nam personally; I can't find the slightest bit of fault except for not stand up firmly standing against the planned assignation of Ngo Dihn Diem, I can't say I blame him for the Veit Nam War, the wheels were turning long before he became president and I don't see why JFK is blamed and not France.

I thought The name of the Read Kennedy was something glib, taboo, and irreverent; I didn't see it as anti-American politcal commentary.

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Originally Posted by Ilistentomusic (Post 792764)
I have always taken the name as a veiled reference to the fact that it was the CIA (our own government or rogue element thereof) that was behind the assassinations of JFK and RFK (as opposed to the "lone nut" cover stories). When you look at the name of the band through that lens, you see the kind of statement they were trying to make.

OK I kinda understand with what you pointed out.

duga 01-01-2010 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Neapolitan (Post 793007)
Wow you are really harsh on the Irish-Americans.

US foreign policy - that's the government and the oligarchy, the rich businessmen, who run America.

To me Joseph Kennedy is a was hero in his own right. I never found fault with Robert Kennedy, he was gun down in cold blood. OK JFK had some faults but I can't say that he caused the Viet Nam personally; I can't find the slightest bit of fault except for not stand up firmly standing against the planned assignation of Ngo Dihn Diem, I can't say I blame him for the Veit Nam War, the wheels were turning long before he became president and I don't see why JFK is blamed and not France.

I thought The name of the Read Kennedy was something glib, taboo, and irreverent; I didn't see it as anti-American politcal commentary.



OK I kinda understand with what you pointed out.

not to turn this into a political commentary thread...but kennedy was surrounded by cabinet members who pressured him into anything he had to do with vietnam...and what he did do was just enough to ensure everyone working with him didn't turn on him.

loveissucide 01-02-2010 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Neapolitan (Post 793007)
Wow you are really harsh on the Irish-Americans.

As an actual Irishman I've gotten in trouble several times with secondary school teachers and patriots for having a go at the Kennedys. I remain unrepentant.


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