Which Form Of Music Has The Most Ridiculous Sub-genres?
 

metal or electronica?

i'd say metal. i'm trying to think what the hell 'viking metal' would sound like?

Yeah its metal. One idiot is always trying to out "brewtal" the other.

Just because your bass player owns a jazz album that he made you listen to once doesn't mean you're in your own genre.

Only if you're head is 5 feet up your ass does metal all sounds that different, song to song.

i love metal, but i have to agree that some of these labels get ridiculous.


and i don't really mind labels either, just that when they get made up out of the blue it gets confusing and stupid.

Metal for sure...

Battle, black, death(Hey lets go name a genre of music, 'massive attack beat' or 'mingus jazz'... lets be serious, and that is coming from someone who loves Death with a passion)

i'm just waiting for the day that a metal band starts claiming that they're "copper" or "iron", and then someone else starts to say they're "wood" because they like old school music.

wood metal would be awesome, but that would have to be with woodwind instruments ot make it cool

and I think punk has the most ridiculous subgenres, because it's a subgenre with about fifty sub-subgenres

Viking Metal would sound like this:



:laughing:

There's a copious amount of subgroups for metal...
Power metal, Nu metal, thrash, etc... all of which I am not particularly fond of. Don't like metal in the least.

metal has around 100 sub-genre's, so definatly metal, although wikipedia has only covered about 50.

@Paloma *goes to write wood metal*

Yeah, I don't really know about electronica, but I do know that Metal sub-genres include (but are not limited to)...

Progressive Metal
Power Metal
Black Metal
Death Metal
Speed Metal
Thrash Metal
Hair Metal
Glam Metal
Industrial Metal
Doom Metal
Stoner Metal
Viking Metal
Grindcore
Hardcore
Deathcore
Edgecore
Vegan Edgecore
Rapcore
Christian Metal
Christian Death Metal
Beatdown
2-step
Power Violence

Vegan Edgecore? Does that mean the band members are vegans, or what?

It's all about Sumerian-core. It's all the rage on MetalSucks atm.


There's some interesting sounding electronica sub-genres as well though.

Just on Wiki it lists stuff like:

Bitpop
Chip
Balearic Beat
Gamewave
Nitzhonot (?)
Aggrotech
Picopop
South African psytrance
Berlin School

...holy sh*t, just look at this list: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...c_music_genres

I'm actually gonna have to vote electronica on this now. ><


Edit: Haha...Clownstep is listed as a sub-genre for drum and bass. Wtf is clownstep.

Clownstep - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

tl;dr

if you aren't familiar with any of it then of course you're going to think its ridiculous. but to me and many others, sludge, crust, powerviolence, thrashcore, metalcore, deathcore, etc., etc., etc. - any other genre you deem "ridiculous" - mean very discernably different things. you wouldn't think its ridiculous if you listened to it enough to appreciate the differences. and if you don't then what does it even matter?

to me genre isnt so much about concrete, specific boundaries as a compact description on which to base expectations. so while i wouldn't consider "vegan edgecore" a "legitimate" genre per se (and not that i can say i have ever seen it used...), i would expect something more specific than if you simply described a band as hardcore - which covers a huge amount of subgenres.

and as such my answer to the question is none. i know electronica has a huge amount of subgenres possibly rivaling metal/punk, but as i am not familiar with them i'm not going to discount them as ridiculous. i think it's only rational for you (the plural) to take the same stance.

So helpful, thank you! :bowdown:

You basically summed it up right here. I mean, once you've listened to an album and know the songs and know you enjoy it, do you really give a fuck what genre it is? Probably not. But it does help you discuss/describe the music to other people, and even more so genres give you an idea of what to expect with new music. Of course not everything in a genre sounds the same, it's just a rough idea as a way of classifying music. I mean, it would be hard to discern different types of music if you didn't have, for example, the genres "punk" and "grindcore". But I think anyone on here could quickly tell the difference between the two.

Eh, whatever. I was just going with the one that I thought had more sub-genres.

By the way, I left out Math and Tech Metal.

I personally think all genres have too many sub-genres, but metal and electronica definitely stand out. Metal probably being the most ridiculous. Although Blues has an un rivaled amount of sub-genres, quite a few of them are legit.

A list of blues sub genres from Allmusic.com:


Chicago Blues
Modern Electric Chicago Blues
Country Blues
Acoustic Blues
Modern Acoustic Blues
Classic Female Blues
Acoustic Memphis Blues
Acoustic Chicago Blues
Acoustic New Orleans Blues
Acoustic Texas Blues
Blues Gospel
Acoustic Louisiana Blues
Country Blues
Vaudeville Blues
Pre-War Country Blues
Delta Blues
Folk-Blues
Early American Blues
Memphis Blues
Blues Revival
Dirty Blues
Work Songs
Pre-War Blues
Spirituals
Pre-War Gospel Blues
Songster
Delta Blues
Finger-Picked Guitar
East Coast Blues
Jump Blues
Piedmont Blues
East Coast Blues
New York Blues
Harmonica Blues
Electric Harmonica Blues
Harmonica Blues
Louisiana Blues
Modern Electric Blues
Blues-Rock
Modern Electric Chicago Blues
Modern Delta Blues
Contemporary Blues
Modern Electric Texas Blues
Texas Blues
Electric Texas Blues
Electric Blues
Early R&B
Soul-Blues
Electric Chicago Blues
Electric Blues
Electric Texas Blues
Electric Country Blues
Electric Delta Blues
Electric Memphis Blues
Electric Harmonica Blues
Urban Blues
New Orleans Blues
Swamp Blues
Juke Joint Blues
Detroit Blues
Slide Guitar Blues
Jump Blues/Piano Blues
Early R&B
Piano Blues
West Coast Blues
Jazz Blues
St. Louis Blues

actually, i think all those blues genres are ridiculous and all the metal ones aren't. prove me wrong.

@Crash_Overide
I counted 67, I wasn't trying so it's probably closer to 70.

I remember counting about 45-50 genres of metal on wikipedia, but I've heard about alot of metal genres that are not on wiki (Hyper Metal, Post-Sludge Doom Metal etc. etc.) I wouldn't be surprised if metal is higher...

edit: but Blues is probably still more ridiculas so you have me there...

There's so too many redundant subgenres already. I gave up on keeping track of musical category creep a long time ago. In the future every band will have it's own unique subgenre. Do I really need to know what "Symphonic Black Metal" is to be informed about music? According to genre obsessed folks at AMG:

The guy at AMG who created this category needs to get a grip because his fevered imagination is careening out of control! According to AMG's glossary of musical genres, all metal music is a subgenre of Hard Rock, and Hard Rock is a subgenre of Rock which is the primary genre. Are you confused?...It gets worse.

Hard Rock has largest amonunt of category creep of all the genres with 32 different subgenres:

Going into that level of subgenre detail defeats the purpose of creating descrete categories of music because nobody will agree on exactly which of the several overlapping sub-genres the artist really belongs to.

There's only 11 basic genres of music and the hundreds of subgenres and sub-sub genres are more information than anyone needs. I'm musical pluralist who opposes any and all category creep in music because it's an elitist trend and it kills joy of music.

Category creep transforms recorded music into just another capitalist product with an appropriate marketing strategy designed to appeal to a certain "hip" demographic of people who want to follow the most fashionable music trends. Trust me on this...Those opinion makers of "the hip demographic" are painfully unaware of hipness because all of the great indie labels like Sun Records, Stax, Rough Trade, Chess, Rounder or Slash don't have the big advertising budgets to market their music to the self-appointed hipsters who know what Emo or Twee music is. I really don't know what Emo or Twee music is and I really don't want to know what Emo or Twee music is. I don't need to have a knowledge of Emo or Twee to appreciate music. For all I know, I could have several Emo or Twee selections in my music collection.

Category creep makes music critics feel important and assists megamusic corporations to market music by demographic groups but there are 11 basic genres of music and all the other hundreds of subgenres are categorical overkill that are subjective creations of the musical establishment.

maybe you don't, but i do. it is not redundant at all. as i don't like a large part of black metal, i would literally never check out a symphonic black metal band, whereas i would check out a band described as atmospheric black metal. no doubt you find that "redundant", but really why is there any reason for you to care at all if you don't listen to it enough to see the difference?

whoever wrote for that website you are referencing does not have a very in-depth understanding of what they are writing about. regardless, your opinion is unjustified and unwarranted. do you really think people use the terms you deem ridiculous for marketing? when was the last time you saw a "symphonic black metal" section in wherever you purchase music? - assuming you even do. i have seen godspeed you! black emperor in the "rock/pop" section of an HMV. yeah, sounds like a very "elite" "marketing ploy".

actually, you're an idiot with what i expect to be a very limited taste in music. no one should have any problem with specific sub-genres. it helps one understand exactly what is being presented - if they are willing to actually listen to and learn about it. if they aren't they what is the problem? i'm baffled that this is even an issue. "more information that anyone needs" - if you have brain damage, maybe. then again, you're right, maybe you should save as much of your brain's space as possible. it'd be a shame if you forgot how to breathe.

"I really don't know what Emo or Twee music is and I really don't want to know what Emo or Twee music is." then shut the fuck up. no one is going to stop using terms that help them understand music because you can't manage to comprehend "complex" categories.

Just because people use terms to describe something doesn't make it a genre.
I mean 'pre war blues'. Thats not a genre thats a fucking time period.

THIS.

I mean I am aware understanding the genre helps your perspective about music but in all honesty, when see people tearing each others heads off because one thinks HIM is love metal and the other thinks it's just alternative is very, very sad.

Good music is simply good music. Why worry yourself over such technicalities?

gee i don't know how i ever saw it differently with that logic

How the **** are we sposed to organise **** if we had that as a basis for judgement

I'm going to have to argue that it's electronica. I mean what the **** is this?

Haha I think you've made a good point kayleigh. That is insane! Wonky techno? Ghettotech?

Electronica has the most, but since I see more arguing about it when I watch metal videos on YouTube I voted for Metal. I recall something along the lines of "IT'S not deathcore, it's blackened death metal you idiot".

every genre of music has a crazy amount of subgenres...the reason i think metal is so interesting is because of how die hard its fans are about supporting such a specific subgenre. this thread proves this point.

if i saw an electronic fan and made fun of the fact that he only listens to a certain subgenre i don't think he would really make such a fuss out of it. if you ask a black metal fan wtf the difference between black and death metal is they are going to get really pissy and probably not be friends with you. now...in metal's defence i CAN see a difference between black and death metal...i'm just making a point.

the other big thing that sets metal apart is how STRICT they are with the labeling. i'll give any music a chance and if a band is trying to grow by changing a little, i'm all for it. metal fans will totally leave a band in the dust for introducing a line of clean vocals or using a thrash riff when it should be black.

not that any of this is bad...just very interesting. watch metal: a headbanger's journey...its like a culture all its own...

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Haha, the list is beyond a joke. Like miles beyond it. :|

My god, they included on that list a sub-genre of a sub-genre of a sub-genre of a sub-genre of electronica!