What's the general consensus on Mike Patton here?
 

I'm a newbie, don't hold it against me. I've been listening to Patton and all of his projects from the good (Faith No More, Fantomas) to the bad (Mike Patton solo/Mondo Cane) for most of my life. I know not everyone likes him, but is he generally respected here?

yup no need for idolatry though. he's just a man after all hahaha

though i think i like Tomahawk best at this point. FNM is great straight across the board, i'm hit or miss on Bungle, gotta be in the right mood for Fantomas aside from The Director's Cut, Peeping Tom was poo aside from 2 maybe 3 tracks, still haven't checked out Lovage - hesitant after PT, General Patton vs. The Executioners is also ace in my book.

Lovage is good. It's different from anything else he is involved with. Tomahawk is great too. Peeping Tom was a disappointment, I agree with you there.

I guess so. I know I'm a fan. Though truth be told I'm not as interested in him as I used to be. Recently I even found myself slightly disappointed when he showed as a guest vocalist on an album I was listening to that was exactly the type of album you'd expect him to show up on and he gave exactly the type of vocal performance you'd expect him to give.

That said, the man has released a lot of great stuff over the course of his career and in my mind that includes Peeping Tom. I'm surprised by all the hate on that one.

I think I've noticed that a lot of people around here like Faith No More, not so sure about Mike Patton as a soloist or person or whatever.. Although I'm not a fan of FNM.

The album he did with Dillinger Escape Plan was awesome.

Irony is a Dead Scene was the name of it.

Patton is a great vocalist. Probably one of the best out there. I don't always like all his projects but the man sure is creative. He just put out a new record "Mondo Cane" full of italian songs. Interesting to say the least.
And he's a good performer. He puts on a lively show.

From what I've seen, Mike Patton is generally respected throughout the forum. Of course, not everybody was born to agree. Some people worship him. Some people don't care for him. Some people don't know who he is.

Mr. Bungle is my favorite project involving Mike Patton, seconded by either Faith No More or Tomahawk. Irony is a Dead Scene and General Patton vs. The X-Ecutioners are both really good collaborations. Lovage is good if you feel like listening to something that's going to make you want to fuck somebody and then laugh your ass off. Fantomas's best work was Director's Cut, and that's really good. I also got one of his solo albums called Pranzo Oltranzista. It took a little while to grow on me, but it eventually did.

The only things I haven't heard from him that I'm aware of are Moonchild, his work with Zu, and I never really looked into Peeping Tom. I've heard a track or two, but that's about it.

I agree with much of what has been said here. I've been a Patton fan since I first saw Faith No More's 'Epic' video on MTV about 20 years ago. Then I discovered Mr. Bungle, then his other side projects and so on. At one time I definitely had the fanboy attitude of "Everything Mike Patton touches turns to gold." But then I heard Adult Themes for Voice. :laughing:

What I always liked about him was not just his voice (though he is definitely my favorite vocalist) but also that his projects were experimental in nature, kinda wacky and different. I always look forward to new projects coming out, but over the years the wow factor has faded a bit. I'm sure some of it has to do with aging and being less creative, but also that I'm used to his voice and it's just not as impressive as it used to be (age again can be a factor here). It seems he either sings the way you expect him too (not really anything wrong with that - unless it's a new project in which it might be nice to hear a new approach) or he over-sings (Mondo Cane, to an extent).

Still I'm a big fan, but have come to terms with the reality that everything he touches does not in fact turn to gold. I yearn for something truly different again. I'd love to hear more Tomahawk (just lighter on the Indian themes, please), as the rock-based stuff I think is where he shines. There's more emotion and less chance of over-singing (ie crooning). I'd love another Lovage album, but it could end up on the level of Peeping Tom (good but not great). I'd love another Peeping Tom (there was supposed to be two), but it could wind up as tame as the first.

General Patton vs. The X-Ecutioners - didn't do much for me really, though I should give it another chance
Kaada / Patton - This was pretty good but doesn't really have much replay value.
Maldoror - terrible
The Dillinger Escape Plan - Irony Is a Dead Scene - awesome.
Fantômas - Love Director's Cut, rest is ok
A Perfect Place OST - A little underwhelming and short but not bad
Crank: High Voltage OST - This was actually a nice surprise, nice experimentalism and craziness, too bad it's a bunch of short tracks that aren't more developed.

Faith No More are one of the few reunion bands that I'd like to see record new material. At the same time, it scares me a little. I just feel like that's all I ever really wanted out of Mike Patton - for him to rock and spazz out once in a while.

Mike Patton is a man who puts novelty above quality, consistently. The bands that accompany his antics are generally ****, however that seems to be the point; make the music boring, dull and pointlessly novel so that everyone pays attention to the vocals.

His work with the Dillenger Escape Plan seems to the summary of his work; pointless, "look at what I can do!" novelty.

I wish him the worst.

His vocals make Irony Is A Dead Scene. I enjoy Faith No More as well, and Mr. Bungle's "California" is a pretty cool album, even though I only listened the whole way thru once. Tomahawk is all right.

He's definitely one of the best vocalists out there.

That seems a bit extreme. I highly doubt anyone would think that making their music dull and boring is a good way to make people pay attention to anything.

i think a lot of the disdain towards this project is due to the ridiculous potential the collaborations it contained presented and ultimately failed at providing. Patton and Tobin should have been awesome i was SO stoked to hear what kind of awesome those two could put together, i was NOT expecting them to take a tag team dump in my ears.

that, and the whole press leading up to the release about how this was Patton's 'pop' album, how he was going to show the mainstream how it was supposed to be done. yeah that didn't reek of pretentiousness, or come across as dated - like someone who's lost touch with the pulse of the mainstream they were purportedly to 'educate'.

on top of all that the album does open with a good track (5 seconds), it did leave me wanting more, until the rest started, it's only again on the very last track (we're not alone) that i found myself interested again. everything else sandwiched between those tracks is lame, it all comes across the same way, there's a little uniqueness right at the start while the collaborator establishes a style then they're Patton-ified the same way, some nasal singing run through a few effects over and over and over.

it's not like he was incapable of doing something interesting as proven on the two tracks i noted earlier but for whatever reason everything in the middle feels forced, half baked, unfinished, and just slapped together for no other reason than being able to have a who's who of collaborator's on the track listing instead of having a collection of great tracks from a small handful of like minded people. it starts with a bang and ends with one too, but accomplishes absolutely nothing between those points, and that to me is why PT is such a huge letdown as an album.

Agreed. His vocals do take prominence on a lot of material but if there is nothing to back it up musically , then it doesn't matter how original the vocal style is.

As a singer- he's not the best but as a vocalist? He's original and is always searching for new techniques to use his voice as an actual instrument and although he is an acquired taste at times, I always admire someone trying something new and pushing boundaries.

this is not the first time you try too hard at trolling.

seriously, you suck.

you also misspelled Dillinger genius.

Well, hype or no, I still like it basically from beginning to end. Though I did lol at your imagery of Patton and Tobin taking a dual dump in your ear. :laughing:

hahaha i was imagining a back to back dual purge into a single ear. were you on the same page or thinking one on each side? haha

plus if we all liked the same things it would make for a pretty boring world.

I pictured one ear with them squatting at roughly a 90 degree angle to each other, each looking in the other's direction and grinning.

I hadn't even considered the two ear scenario. :laughing:

The two tracks I like most on Peeping Tom are 'Your Neighborhood Spaceman' and 'You're Not Alone.' Hearing 'You're Not Alone' before the album came out, I was VERY excited. But nothing else came close, it's still my favorite song on the album. Again I don't hate it, it just could have been better.

I'd say "Mojo" is probably my favorite track on the album. But I also rate "We're Not Alone", "Celebrity Death Match" and "Sucker" really highly as well.

Mojo never did much for me. I don't know why, maybe it just seems too fake. Like it's a parody of Patton past.

Well it gives me an erection.

:rofl: :shycouch:

I get my erections from Lovage. :afro:

Well, that too. :D

I'm actually listening to Peeping Tom right now because of this conversation and I'm remembering how much I like "Don't Even Trip" as well. That song makes me laugh.

I'm a pretty big fan of Mr. Bungle, Fantômas, DEP's Irony is a Dead Scene, and his contribution to Björk's Medúlla album. I like Tomahawk, his solo work, Peeping Tom, Mondo Cane and Faith No More but I really don't listen to them often/haven't given them the time they deserve yet. I'm aware of a few more of his projects but haven't heard anything by them. I've been meaning to check out Hemophiliac very soon though.

I have the first one, autographed by the band. But I'm not a fan of the music. I haven't listened to it since it came out in 2002 though. :laughing: