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SATCHMO 05-27-2011 10:46 PM

The moment that you decide that you are going to create a piece of music, you are being wholly and completely unoriginal, but who gives a ****, really?

duga 05-29-2011 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by AwwSugar (Post 1060972)

I'm not sure how much I agree with this. I mean inspiration-wise, I guess random noises and such wouldn't be original, but at one time, something was original. It was inspired by something, but it was an original song/style.
I think the OP was talking about music, not about whether a song was inspired by something not-musical.

Subconsciously, I'm sure a lot of everything we write is based on something else we've heard, but I'm sure there are some sounds, some ideas, that are very partially original still.
I'm speaking from a more emotional point of view, than a literal one, I think, and this is probably where I'll end up butting heads with a lot of opinions.

Only nature is original...at least in relation to us as humans. I only brought up the example of the cave paintings to show that even what we could consider to be the first human attempt at art was not completely original. If something was completely original, no one would understand it. Art is our attempt at communicating what is going on in our heads on a deeper level than just talking can.

Things can be built on in an original way...and that is what we mean when we say a new band sounds very original. If you boil it down to what true originality means, however, there is no way you can argue that there is something like that.

Zer0 05-29-2011 12:09 PM

Really I think the nearest thing possible to truly original music would be to give a musical instrument to a person who was raised in total isolation and darkness since birth for them to make some form of noise. Although it would be interesting hear what that person would do with the instrument it would be of course completely barbaric.

Gregor XIII 05-30-2011 12:49 AM

No song is an island. Simple as that, really. If you've ever heard music, you've been inspired by music. Even if you decide that you will only create your own instruments and play music in 13/8, then you are inspired by all the music you are trying to not sound like.

However, somewhat original sounds pop up all the time. No one had made a song like Autobahn before Kraftwerk (more or less, bear with me here) because the feeling of driving along an endless autobahn wasn't well known before that. No album had sounded exactly like Fear of a Black Planet before, for the rage on that album was born out of a very specific time and place and sense of directionless rage. My attempt at a moral would be: Stop obsessing about 'sound' and 'influence', and start thinking about 'feel' and 'content'.

Arya Stark 05-30-2011 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by duga (Post 1061485)
Only nature is original...at least in relation to us as humans. I only brought up the example of the cave paintings to show that even what we could consider to be the first human attempt at art was not completely original. If something was completely original, no one would understand it. Art is our attempt at communicating what is going on in our heads on a deeper level than just talking can.

Things can be built on in an original way...and that is what we mean when we say a new band sounds very original. If you boil it down to what true originality means, however, there is no way you can argue that there is something like that.

Right. But I'm speaking musically. :P

duga 05-31-2011 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by AwwSugar (Post 1062197)
Right. But I'm speaking musically. :P

....so was I....

Arya Stark 05-31-2011 09:03 AM

If music was initially inspired by nature or sounds then I'm not sure I would say that makes it unoriginal.

Dotoar 05-31-2011 11:46 AM

My snub-nosed two and a half pennies would be that either everything is original or nothing is. Even if you decide to write a note-for-note rip-off of an existing song and perform it, it will still feature your own subtle twists and phrasings.

duga 05-31-2011 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by AwwSugar (Post 1062350)
If music was initially inspired by nature or sounds then I'm not sure I would say that makes it unoriginal.

Why? True originality is something that is completely distinct. The minute you say something is inspired by something else, it loses originality. Saying "band Y is inspired by band X" is the same thing as saying "ancient music is inspired by the seasons/animals/etc.". It didn't come out of nowhere, therefore it is not completely original.

Arya Stark 06-03-2011 01:14 AM

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Originally Posted by duga (Post 1062450)
Why? True originality is something that is completely distinct. The minute you say something is inspired by something else, it loses originality. Saying "band Y is inspired by band X" is the same thing as saying "ancient music is inspired by the seasons/animals/etc.". It didn't come out of nowhere, therefore it is not completely original.

I guess I'm just having a difficult time considering them to be the same thing.


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